NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[sweetmagnolia]

Laneswerve: what NPC groups would be the most likely to be absorbed? What happens to the members of the NPC group that gets absorbed, especially actives?

(I don't know if that made sense)
If AB and DEF were on the same campus when the NPC decided that DEF was going to absorb AB- what would happen? Is absorption a gradual process?


ETA: omg my spelling is atrocious

[agzg]

Originally Posted by sweetmagnolia

Laneswerve: what NPC groups would be the most likely to be absorbed? What happens to the members of the NPC group that gets absorbed, especially actives?

(I don't know if that made sense)
If AB and DEF were on the same campus when the NPC decided that DEF was going to absorb AB- what would happen? Is absorption a gradual process?


ETA: omg my spelling is atrocious

The bigger wave of absorptions happened so long ago and when all the organizations were so much smaller that to be quite honest, I don't know what would happen nowadays. But there are definitely organizations that are struggling in some way (for whatever reason). They don't need to be named, please let's not make this a "buaha your org is smaller than mine" thread or cause even more people to get butthurt about other things.

Also please do not conflate fewer chapters or smaller numbers with "weak" - often times small numbered orgs can be quite powerful - often when a group is facing closure/absorption there's something else going on internally that's no one's business but their own.

Actives/alumnae would still be members to the new larger org (or, if there's a name change, to that org) if they choose to. I would imagine it would be similar to a chapter of a local organization being absorbed by an NPC organization, if that makes sense. Also, the NPC wouldn't make that decision, I don't think. It would be made between the leadership bodies of each individual organization.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by agzg

The bigger wave of absorptions happened so long ago and when all the organizations were so much smaller that to be quite honest, I don't know what would happen nowadays. But there are definitely organizations that have fewer chapters/smaller numbers/are struggling in some way. They don't need to be named, please let's not make this a "buaha your org is smaller than mine" thread or cause even more people to get butthurt about other things.

Also please do not conflate fewer chapters or smaller numbers with "weak" - typically even small numbered orgs can be quite powerful - often when a group is facing closure/absorption there's something else going on internally that's no one's business but their own.

I must admit, I know little to nothing about those orgs that were absorbed in the past. Which ones were they? How many chapters did they have at the time? What was the reaction from alumnae? And what were the "internal problems" that caused them to close?

Although this might happen before any addition to the NPC ever does, what do you think the chances are of this really happening, considering how established all of the NPCs are now?

Or is this something that simply can't be answered..?

[agzg]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I must admit, I know little to nothing about those orgs that were absorbed in the past. Which ones were they? How many chapters did they have at the time? What was the reaction from alumnae? And what were in "internal problems" that caused them to close?

Although this might happen before any addition to the NPC ever does, what do you think the chances are of this really happening, considering how established all of the NPCs are now?

Or is this something that simply can't be answered..?

Well, most orgs that went through it do have mention in their various histories about it - also Baird's mentions it. The details, though, are slim, and I say "wave" as in it happened a few times while the NPC was coming together and groups were joining more frequently. So, I don't have any answers to any of your questions in this post.

I feel like I opened a can of worms. I don't think any groups at this time are on any kind of chopping block or that larger groups are licking their chops waiting to swoop in - I just think it might be as if not more likely than well-established groups from other councils joining the NPC (since our membership isn't as fluid as, say, the NIC, those crazy hotheads ).

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by agzg

Well, most orgs that went through it do have mention in their various histories about it - also Baird's mentions it. The details, though, are slim, and I say "wave" as in it happened a few times while the NPC was coming together and groups were joining more frequently. So, I don't have any answers to any of your questions in this post.

I feel like I opened a can of worms. I don't think any groups at this time are on any kind of chopping block or that larger groups are licking their chops waiting to swoop in - I just think it might be as if not more likely than well-established groups from other councils joining the NPC (since our membership isn't as fluid as, say, the NIC, those crazy hotheads ).

A lot of the absorptions were depression-era. I doubt we'll ever see another period like that. An individual org failing, though? Could happen.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

A lot of the absorptions were depression-era. I doubt we'll ever see another period like that. An individual org failing, though? Could happen.

I guess my whole point was that because (in terms of member organizations) NPC membership is fairly static, that it would take a major shakeup and/or outside forces to see them adding groups or significantly changing the number of members (like in the late 40s when they added a boatload). But I could be really wrong.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by agzg

I guess my whole point was that because (in terms of member organizations) NPC membership is fairly static, that it would take a major shakeup and/or outside forces to see them adding groups or significantly changing the number of members (like in the late 40s when they added a boatload). But I could be really wrong.

I don't think anyone has ASKED to be in the NPC in a long time. That could be what you mean by "outside forces", but let's just be clear that the NPC isn't sitting around voting not to let new orgs in.

[AlphaFrog]

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

LOL what a clusterfuck that would be. Also, I'm not interested in oldu's ridiculous rankings of who the stronger NPC organizations are.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

w/r/t insurance, I was thinking of FIPG. IIRC, there are no members of FIPG that are not also NPC/NIC.

But FIPG doesn't provide insurance. It provides risk management guidelines and educational resources.

As for membership, it may be true that there currently are not any members of FIPG that are not also NIC or NPC. But that doesn't mean there couldn't be. Per FIPG's By-Laws, its members must be members of the Fraternity Executives Association. There are non-NIC/NPC members of the FEA.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

Exactly what I thought of.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the oldu "OMG, ASA and AST are both smaller and gold and green Alpha Sigmas - they should totally merge!" Thread. Nevermind that we probably have the highest percentage of chapters to shared campus ratio of any other GLOs.

I just HAD to go searching for it...

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=96233

I forget how many campuses we actually do share (I have that info located SOMEWHERE), but it is definitely a lot. Talk about sisters, both active and alumnae, being incredibly pissed off on both sides of the fence!

I love me some ASA, but there's no way in hell this would ever work. Obviously.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by sweetmagnolia

Laneswerve: what NPC groups would be the most likely to be absorbed? What happens to the members of the NPC group that gets absorbed, especially actives?

(I don't know if that made sense)
If AB and DEF were on the same campus when the NPC decided that DEF was going to absorb AB- what would happen? Is absorption a gradual process?


ETA: omg my spelling is atrocious

See, I think this has the potential for more controversy than any race-related issues between NPC and NPHC groups. We all know that some of the NPC groups are newer and have fewer resources (in the form of real estate, money, and volunteers) than others. It would stand to reason, then, that those sororities would be the ones to either be absorbed by other groups or leave the NPC all together.

No one, however, really wants to say that.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by sweetmagnolia

Laneswerve: what NPC groups would be the most likely to be absorbed? What happens to the members of the NPC group that gets absorbed, especially actives?

Just a thought -- this is definitely a discussion that can cause a trainwreck fast. Do you really think anyone wants to look at GC and see a discussion about how her sorority is having a hard enough time or is so small that it might be absorbed by another?

[sweetmagnolia]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Just a thought -- this is definitely a discussion that can cause a trainwreck fast. Do you really think anyone wants to look at GC and see a discussion about how her sorority is having a hard enough time or is so small that it might be absorbed by another?

I realize how inflammatory that could be, and in my mind, I wasn't looking for a list of sororities- it was more of a 'I'm a newb and didn't realize that there was a chance that any NPCs would be absorbed'. I'm super sorry if people took my comment/question the wrong way (which, in retrospect, is like blatantly obvious/unavoidable-giving-how-I-worded-it to me).

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by sweetmagnolia

Laneswerve: what NPC groups would be the most likely to be absorbed? What happens to the members of the NPC group that gets absorbed, especially actives?

(I don't know if that made sense)
If AB and DEF were on the same campus when the NPC decided that DEF was going to absorb AB- what would happen? Is absorption a gradual process?


ETA: omg my spelling is atrocious

I sure hope no one answers your questions. I don't think anyone is in a postion to close up shop at this point.

A true benefit of NPC membership for a up and coming GLO is protection from other NPC groups. This can be seen in the recent acquisitions of KBG chapters in the past few years. If KBG joined the NPC, that would never happen again. There are actually chapters of NPC groups that have been other NPC organizations. I have an eight edition of The Sorority Handbook and was surprised to see the number of Theta chapters that were previously Zeta chapters or Pi Phi chapters that were once Phi Mu chapters,etc. (I can't remember the exact interchange so don't quote me. I can look them up tonight.) With the UAs, this no longer happens. Once an NPC member chapter, there is no changing to another member organization. This would, hypothetically, protect KBGs investment in a chapter. As a non-member, they have no protections, as unfair as that may seem.