Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of murdering patient, newborns

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Okay, and your point...?

Everyone concedes that contraception is much, much better than abortion.

Everyone?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Everyone?

Has anyone posted about abortion being more ideal than using a condom/pills?

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Has anyone posted about abortion being more ideal than using a condom/pills?

"Everyone" encompasses more than just the posters on this thread. If the poster had said everyone on this thread then I agree to your point. But that is not the way I read the post. If the poster meant that "everyone" who was in the community of human beings than I disagree with the poster.

[AOII Angel]

As much as you'd like to believe that there are people running around who think abortion is "fun", pro-choice proponents actually do believe in contraception first. As for Margaret Sanger, she is an early icon of contraceptive rights/ women's health care rights. She has a lot of controversial views. THAT does not mean that everything she believed is correct or believed verbatim by progressive, pro-choice supporters of PP. Unlike conservatives, we can take the good and disagree with the bad without throwing out the whole person. I might also add that in 1938, society was completely different and ideas on eugenics, embryology, medicine were completely different. I'd just as soon take my medical advice from an internet Charlatan than from a physician in 1938 much less take Margaret Sanger's thoughts about the beginnings of life as truth. Cells may be alive, but I have no problem biopsying live cells everyday. The significance put on a clump of cells differs in the eye of the beholder.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The significance put on a clump of cells differs in the eye of the beholder.

Does a heart beat make any difference?

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Does a heart beat make any difference?

People are taken off of life support that keeps them breathing when they have a heart beat but no brain waves and it is not considered "killing" them. So, in my opinion, no, it doesn't.

[AOII Angel]

Seriously, the 8mm fetus with a heart beat does not have the same rights as the woman on which it must completely rely. I have my personal opinions about later abortions, but they are my own and apply only to my own decision making process.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Does a heart beat make any difference?

Viability is all that matters.

Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Viability is all that matters.

Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.

I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel;

Unlike conservatives, we can take the good and disagree with the bad without throwing out the whole person.

General statement much?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

General statement much?

Yes but consider who she's talking to...

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yes but consider who she's talking to...

Exactly, and I was responding to an extremely general statement.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yes but consider who she's talking to...

This from the person who picks fights constantly with other posters simply because one does not agree with her/him.

You are incapable of conversing with someone who disagrees with you.