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Originally Posted by PiKA2001
Who's jealous of a trade? We are just saying it's ridiculous that Bob the HS dropout makes more painting cars than some of us that are teachers or social workers, etc.
Some of us believe that a lot of the unions have outlived their purpose and are just too greedy (See UAW).
And you telling someone to "Just get a union job than" is no different than me telling a poor working class person to "Go find a better job".
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Is it ridiculous if Bob the HS dropout does a better job than you could? You don't have to hire Bob the HS dropout to be your plumber if you don't want to. Generally you're hiring Bob because you think he's experienced enough to do the job right.
I think you think you're arguing against my opinion of unions, which I haven't actually put out here.
It's not "get a union job you lazy bum" it's "if you think that they're paid so much for doing so little why aren't you jumping on that gravy train?" When you say "Bob the HS Dropout" you're pretty much showing your disdain for the person or position despite the fact that most trades are fairly complex and/or have serious drawbacks such as physical labor or dealing with human feces.
It's the same attitude as that of people who talk about welfare queens living high on the hog off TANF, WIC and Food Stamps. They always have some anecdote of someone doing something 'extravagent' or having a nice car on public aid, make assumptions and extrapolate that to the whole. They'd never get rid of all their assets to be poor so they could live off the "government teat" but they talk like that's what the poor people already did.
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Originally Posted by KSig RC
So you want produced hard data to disprove the null re: microecon theory?
I mean . . .
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I don't do econ. All I was doing was pointing out the flaws in the argument of someone who claimed to only care about the logic. The only way to move past the philosophical arguments or opinion-based anecdata is to actually support the argument with data. Until then, it is only an opinion, or even a well reasoned position, but without actual evidence to back it up you're not getting further.
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