Is hazing the best way?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

If your brothers are still all for hazing, you should speak with your advisor and regional director.

Yes, do this and assure being socially ostracized for not only your remaining years in college, but pretty much any alumni event you attend in the future.

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Yes, do this and assure being socially ostracized for not only your remaining years in college, but pretty much any alumni event you attend in the future.

Or stay quiet, something bad happens, then find yourself and the chapter facing charges and a civil suit ($$$). Then you're kicked out of the fraternity and probably your school.

Then again, I assume the worst when it comes to hazing. The OP said it's "not so bad," but I have no idea what they are cocmparing it to. "Not so bad" could be tossing peanuts at pledges when they mess up the greek alphabet, "not so bad" could be paddling. I only recommend going to your regional director if it's a substantial issue. (Like, involving bodily harm vs. Having pledges clean up after a party).

If you approach the situation from a "hey, I'm concerned we could get into trouble and lose our charter" standpoint, you'll be much better than approaching from a "you all are hazing and should be punished for it" standpoint.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Yes, do this and assure being socially ostracized for not only your remaining years in college, but pretty much any alumni event you attend in the future.

That depends. There are different ways to go about speaking to an advisor or regional director without telling them that hazing is an issue. I have seen it happen a few times where concerned members reach out by saying that they are looking for membership ideas that highlight the many positives of sisterhood/brotherhood.

Afterall, his taking the basic ideas (these ideas are extremely basic) from this thread and trying to incorporate them could also lead to his being ignored, laughed at, ostracized, etc. Who wants to be around a sister or brother who is telling them that they are doing it all wrong? Who wants to be around a sister or brother who is acting as though he or she has figured it all out?

What the OP is trying to do can fail and so can speaking with a formal or informal organizational representative. Since the OP came to GC seeking advice, I would never advise someone beyond telling them to speak to their GLO's representative (since speaking to the chapter has obviously not worked yet).

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That depends. There are different ways to go about speaking to an advisor or regional director without telling them that hazing is an issue. I have seen it happen a few times where concerned members reach out by saying that they are looking for membership ideas that highlight the many positives of sisterhood/brotherhood.

Agreed. It's all in the approach. Coming across as 'holier than thou' addressing hazing issues in the chapter will undoubtedly get you laughed out of the chapter room. Coming across as concerned might bring more people out of the woodwork and win you some support.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

Agreed. It's all in the approach. Coming across as 'holier than thou' addressing hazing issues in the chapter will undoubtedly get you laughed out of the chapter room. Coming across as concerned might bring more people out of the woodwork and win you some support.

To be honest with you, the OP can easily come across as holier than thou and probably even quick to intolerance and anger when chapter members defend the existing new member program. Even saying that you (in general) are trying to change a new member program automatically gets a negative response from many people. Then saying it isn't "so bad as it could be" just seems like you're (in general) contradicting yourself as though you aren't too sure of what the issues are.