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10-11-2010, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
No, it wasn't just informational for those who are lurking.
Elephant Walk was correct. Blacks are generally used to lower wages. As I always tell people, we can't have it both ways. We can't highlight disadvantage and then not want people to mention the disadvantage that we just highlighted. It's awesome if it doesn't apply to you because generalizations and trends aren't meant to apply 100%.
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This is what I was getting at. Some blacks, some minorities, many non-whites, some people -- any of these would have been better than just plain blacks. I refuse to believe that the mere fact that someone is black causes him/her to "expect" to work for pennies.
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The bolded is really the point. And those resources aren't just "you" pulling yourself up. As for 1) and 2), a large percentage of the population is underpaid and miserable. Yet, many of them believe they are worth more and know how it negatively affects them. Unfortunately, most of those people will live the rest of their lives underpaid and miserable.
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I don't see "underpaid but comfortable" as equal to "being underpaid and not being able to buy the necessities." I know that I could get more than my current salary, but I'm still able to support myself comfortably so I deal with it. Removing the wage floor and expecting me work when I can't afford shelter, food, and clothing is different.
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10-12-2010, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow
This is what I was getting at. Some blacks, some minorities, many non-whites, some people -- any of these would have been better than just plain blacks. I refuse to believe that the mere fact that someone is black causes him/her to "expect" to work for pennies.
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LOL. You are educated enough to understand generalization language when you read it. I only use "some" and "many" when I'm talking around people who may miss the overall point because they are focused on the fact that I didn't use "some" and "many." I'm sure you know that Elephant Walk isn't clueless enough to believe that ALL Blacks are underpaid (although Blacks tend to be underpaid in almost all professions in relation to their white counterparts) and ALL Blacks are accustomed to being underpaid.
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I don't see "underpaid but comfortable" as equal to "being underpaid and not being able to buy the necessities." I know that I could get more than my current salary, but I'm still able to support myself comfortably so I deal with it. Removing the wage floor and expecting me work when I can't afford shelter, food, and clothing is different.
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The average person who is underpaid is unable or barely able to buy the necessities. That's the point of this entire discussion. Many people can pay their bills but they don't have anything in the bank after they do that. Being poor is not just about being unable to pay the bills.
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10-12-2010, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
I'm sure you know that Elephant Walk isn't clueless enough to believe that ALL Blacks are underpaid (although Blacks tend to be underpaid in almost all professions in relation to their white counterparts) and ALL Blacks are accustomed to being underpaid.
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My discussion more relates to not any sort of "race-conscious" or anything as such, but more to statistical averages being that Blacks are generally less educated, generally more unemployed, and generally disadvantaged in other senses which gives them a cost-advantage. Clearly not every Black person is underpaid and many are overpaid (see: the person in the White House), but speaking in generalities and statistical averages.
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10-12-2010, 01:58 AM
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My discussion more relates to not any sort of "race-conscious" or anything as such
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You think that highlighting race in such a topic isn't about race conciousness. How very white privilege of you to think that.
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but more to statistical averages being that Blacks are generally less educated, generally more unemployed, and generally disadvantaged in other senses which gives them a cost-advantage. Clearly not every Black person is underpaid and many are overpaid (see: the person in the White House), but speaking in generalities and statistical averages.
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Did you just feel like explaining yourself to someone who had already explained you?
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10-12-2010, 02:02 AM
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You think that highlighting race in such a topic isn't about race conciousness. How very white privilege of you to think that.
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Wrong word, but similar.
Meant race conscience, not conscious.
I don't really believe in race-conscience and I hope you don't either.
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10-12-2010, 02:04 AM
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I don't really believe in race-conscience and I hope you don't either.
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You obviously don't know what race-conscience is.
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10-12-2010, 02:09 AM
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You obviously don't know what race-conscience is.
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Yeah, I do.
That's why I don't believe in it.
I also know that you're unbelievably obsessed with "race" and like to go on and on about the special trappings of "race".
But I frankly don't care. I was enjoying the economic discussion.
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Overall, though, it's the bigness of the car that counts the most. Because when something bad happens in a really big car – accidentally speeding through the middle of a gang of unruly young people who have been taunting you in a drive-in restaurant, for instance – it happens very far away – way out at the end of your fenders. It's like a civil war in Africa; you know, it doesn't really concern you too much. - P.J. O'Rourke
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