Prop 8 is to get a ruling today

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

**Sideline comment**

Why should we care what other countries are doing?

Also some would not agree that because other countries are doing it, they are ahead of US.

Being ahead of us on one issue (if you believe that equal marriage rights are a good thing) doesn't mean they're Eden.

And you don't have to care about what happens outside of our country, but plenty of people do, because it directly affects human beings and indirectly affects us.

Also @pj LOL.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And you don't have to care about what happens outside of our country, but plenty of people do, because it directly affects human beings and indirectly affects us.

Does it indirectly affect us?

Many things have happened in this world that hasn't caused most people to blink.

Expound.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Does it indirectly affect us?

Many things have happened in this world that hasn't caused most people to blink.

Expound.

It does, just using this topic, the more common same sex marriage is in the rest of the world the more "normal" it becomes and the more pressure is placed on our society to change. Our peception by the world at large changes too, and though some may not care about it, it does affect us.

And though we may not be able to know or follow everything that happens, I believe that being informed is preferable to being ignorant. I just read a story about domestic workers in the UK being treated essentially as slaves by employers withholding passports and paying pittances if anything. It's not a happy story by any means, but I feel I only gain by being informed. The US is too insular at times, IMO.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It does, just using this topic, the more common same sex marriage is in the rest of the world the more "normal" it becomes and the more pressure is placed on our society to change. Our peception by the world at large changes too, and though some may not care about it, it does affect us.

And though we may not be able to know or follow everything that happens, I believe that being informed is preferable to being ignorant. I just read a story about domestic workers in the UK being treated essentially as slaves by employers withholding passports and paying pittances if anything. It's not a happy story by any means, but I feel I only gain by being informed. The US is too insular at times, IMO.

I like that example.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Does it indirectly affect us?

Many things have happened in this world that hasn't caused most people to blink.

Expound.

That's like saying "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?"

People get ideas from a number of sources including international trends. The very fact that some people know what the global trends are regarding homosexuality and homosexual unions can shape the perception of norms and values in this society. That can change the laws in this society if the dominant majority deems it nonthreatening to remove the stigma of homosexual union. It is not an overnight process but there are a lot of things that no longer make people blink in America that used to make people cry and lynch. Those domestic changes were not isolated from global dynamics. That is even moreso the case now in this global economy and increasingly "global society."

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That's like saying "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?"

People get ideas from a number of sources including international trends. The very fact that some people know what the global trends are regarding homosexuality and homosexual unions can shape the perception of norms and values in this society. That can change the laws in this society if the dominant majority deems it nonthreatening to remove the stigma of homosexual union. It is not an overnight process but there are a lot of things that no longer make people blink in America that used to make people cry and lynch. Those domestic changes were not isolated from global dynamics. That is even moreso the case now in this global economy and increasingly "global society."

I like this as well.

[Amicus]

Among the things that the U.S. adopted from Europe: pre-school and kindergarten education, old age insurance (aka social security), pensions, national health care (believe it or not, some of us actually support the idea of national health insurance!), etc.

[DrPhil]

Bluphire, you're either easily convinced or you weren't as married (no pun intended) to the "why does it matter" side of the issue as you initially portrayed you were. LOL.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Bluphire, you're either easily convinced or you weren't as married (no pun intended) to the "why does it matter" side of the issue as you initially portrayed you were. LOL.

No I wasn't. It was a sideline comment. More so meant to separate those who are blindly passionate about a topic and those who are approaching it from a logical/rational Point of View.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

No I wasn't. It was a sideline comment. More so meant to separate those who are blindly passionate about a topic and those who are approaching it from a logical/rational Point of View.

Cannot one be both rational and passionate?