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[Imus]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not even anti-union. I think some unions do a hell of a job advocating for their members without tanking the industry. A good example of that would be the plumbers and pipe fitters union. They really do a great job and I know the companies (because I've seen their books) which have these folks working for them can still do very, very well.


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You really don't know anything about plumbers or pipe fitters.

The reason union plumbers, pipe fitters or any trade are able to survive is because it is pretty much impossible to outsource a job that has to be done locally to non union labor in China. If an owner needs plumbing done they can't send their building to China to have a Chinese plumber lay the pipe.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Imus

You really don't know anything about plumbers or pipe fitters.

The reason union plumbers, pipe fitters or any trade are able to survive is because it is pretty much impossible to outsource a job that has to be done locally to non union labor in China. If an owner needs plumbing done they can't send their building to China to have a Chinese plumber lay the pipe.

Not all plumbers are union though. And in states like Oklahoma, union membership can't be a prerequisite for employment anywhere, so the unions in most cases offer value for both the employee and the employer.