Dr. Henry Louis Gates Arrested

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I would even go so far as to say it would be irresponsible for a party not to look ahead to the mid-terms and next Presidential election after a defeat. The party has to re-examine where it went wrong and do everything it can to make sure the next election cycle is a better one.

The Republicans did it after Clinton won, the Dems did it after Bush won...it's just the way politics goes.

It is interesting because people seem to forget how people across parties (many of whom didn't like Bush at first) began to appreciate the Bush administration's religious and patriotic efforts after September 11th. The terrorist attacks and overall international climate are things that Bush was propelled into with little preparation, as we know it. I'm sure it was a nightmare being elected and being welcomed with terrorist attacks. People initially supported the war because those were desperate times. The war didn't pan out as expected for various reasons (which often happens with wars) and people shifted their anger to a new target. Then people began or went back to hating his politics and calling him a misspeaking idiot.

What happened with Bush should sound familiar to those who think Obama is being treated unfairly. The difference that we were initially talking about is that Obama has been touted as a greater speaker, which prompted his administration to constantly make him talk and trip over himself. Bush seemed more of the reluctant speaker. What I perceive to be Obama's eagerness to run his mouth is what pisses me off.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

What happened with Bush should sound familiar to those who think Obama is being treated unfairly. The difference that we were initially talking about is that Obama has been touted as a greater speaker, which prompted his administration to constantly make him talk and trip over himself. Bush seemed more of the reluctant speaker. What I perceive to be Obama's eagerness to run his mouth is what pisses me off.

I think another thing that has helped Obama is that there was the immediate perception that he was well-educated and smart, and people were willing to give him more leeway at the start becuase of those points. It's not like with Bush and Kerry, where people were picking at their college transcripts and questioning their intelligence. Obama didn't have those questions to deal with when he started his term.

Every President is treated "unfairly" to a certain extent - they come in with huge expectations, at least partially self-created, and there are many who will be disappointed (either because policy takes longer to implement, or because the people don't agree with the candidate's platform to begin with).

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think another thing that has helped Obama is that there was the immediate perception that he was well-educated and smart, and people were willing to give him more leeway at the start becuase of those points. It's not like with Bush and Kerry, where people were picking at their college transcripts and questioning their intelligence. Obama didn't have those questions to deal with when he started his term.

Every President is treated "unfairly" to a certain extent - they come in with huge expectations, at least partially self-created, and there are many who will be disappointed (either because policy takes longer to implement, or because the people don't agree with the candidate's platform to begin with).

There may not be picking at his education, but there is a group of the cuckoo for cocoa puffs who are still questioning his citizenship.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

There may not be picking at his education, but there is a group of the cuckoo for cocoa puffs who are still questioning his citizenship.

Well yeah, there's that - but luckily the courts have been good at getting rid of those frivolous lawsuits pretty quickly.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

There may not be picking at his education, but there is a group of the cuckoo for cocoa puffs who are still questioning his citizenship.

Aside from a few extremists, who cares what those guys think anyhow?

I'm not sure whether the question being asked is legitimate. The trouble with all of these cases so far is that they all lack standing. I would think if Hillary Clinton or John McCain brought a lawsuit, there'd be enough to at least survive an FRCP 12(b)(6) motion.