Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

No slight to you but I would like to believe that you think before you say anything regardless of the medium.

I don't think there is that much difference on how some feel whether in real life on on the boards.

There is always risk but if you are willing to take it depends on what reward you are looking for in the final outcome...agreed?

Maybe there shouldn't be, but for me there is. If we worked together, and you were really worked up about that cartoon, I'd point out what I thought it was referring to one time, and then, your emotional intensity would carry the day. It wouldn't be worth it to me to upset you more by continuing to talk about it and disagree.

I wouldn't pretend that I agreed, but I'd try to find common ground to validate you as a person (maybe by acknowledging one of the intentional monkey comparisons) vs. staying with the seemingly irrational to me political or topical point.

I think I'm a much more agreeable person in real life than I am here, but then, I'd almost have to be.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Maybe there shouldn't be, but for me there is. If we worked together, and you were really worked up about that cartoon, I'd point out what I thought it was referring to one time, and then, your emotional intensity would carry the day. It wouldn't be worth it to me to upset you more by continuing to talk about it and disagree.

I wouldn't pretend that I agreed, but I'd try to find common ground to validate you as a person (maybe by acknowledging one of the intentional monkey comparisons) vs. staying with the seemingly irrational to me political or topical point.

I think I'm a much more agreeable person in real life than I am here, but then, I'd almost have to be.

Then again, that would depend on what kind of associates we are right?

How well you knew me and so on.

And I am pretty much the same way...we could talk about it (in real time) make our points and move on and probably come to an amicable POV and continue...here is the kicker...what about beyond work?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Then again, that would depend on what kind of associates we are right?

How well you knew me and so on.

And I am pretty much the same way...we could talk about it (in real time) make our points and move on and probably come to an amicable POV and continue...here is the kicker...what about beyond work?

It would be the same beyond work, except that my social universe is 75-85 percent based on work. And I think Holder's take is pretty accurate that most of us are pretty segregated in our purely social lives. Not deliberately or consciously, for most of us, but it works out that way.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yeah, I think everyone here is a willing participant and that's why we talk about what we talk about. In real life, it can be harder not to put people on the spot.

I talk pretty freely too, but I think I occasionally think before I speak more in real life about how what I say may permanently affect my relationships with other people. It matters more to me in real life that a person has become upset or angry than it matters here. I care about other people's comfort; on GreekChat, I assume that if you're in the news and politics forum, you like to mix it up.

There's also a matter of risk that exist when we talk about race or class or gender in real life. Some people are interested in classifying others and treating them differently based on that classification. Here, there are very few consequences.

Describe to me what you mean by thinking before one speaks in real life?

I do not share your sentiments about the news and politics forum.

Be mindful of what you say on the internet, more often than not, it comes to bite you when you least expect it...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Describe to me what you mean by thinking before one speaks in real life?

I do not share your sentiments about the news and politics forum.

Be mindful of what you say on the internet, more often than not, it comes to bite you when you least expect it...

(I'm using generic "you" here)
If you were someone I saw everyday, especially if you were someone that I saw everyday and liked, I wouldn't jump as readily to criticize your political or social opinions, especially without more regard for how I expressed my disagreement.

Since this forum exists for us to talk and debate about stuff, I assume that people are interested in debate and might even enjoy disagreement for the sake of teasing out and strengthening their own opinions.

I don't think I've ever said anything I'd be completely ashamed of online or anything (well, if I thought long enough, I'm sure I could think of something), but sometimes I post without considering things as much as I would if I were sending out a neighborhood newsletter.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

(I'm using generic "you" here)
If you were someone I saw everyday, especially if you were someone that I saw everyday and liked, I wouldn't jump as readily to criticize your political or social opinions, especially without more regard for how I expressed my disagreement.

Since this forum exists for us to talk and debate about stuff, I assume that people are interested in debate and might even enjoy disagreement for the sake of teasing out and strengthening their own opinions.

I don't think I've ever said anything I'd be completely ashamed of online or anything (well, if I thought long enough, I'm sure I could think of something), but sometimes I post without considering things as much as I would if I were sending out a neighborhood newsletter.

Therein lies possibly the biggest difference in face to face interactions vs non face to face.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Since this forum exists for us to talk and debate about stuff, I assume that people are interested in debate and might even enjoy disagreement for the sake of teasing out and strengthening their own opinions.

I can think of a few times where the discourse between you and I has forced me to strengthen my argument, especially using my educational background.

I don't think any of those threads have involved the use of "sweetheart," "bitch please," or "go back and research it." And I know they haven't involved the use of "get over it."

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I can think of a few times where the discourse between you and I has forced me to strengthen my argument, especially using my educational background.

I don't think any of those threads have involved the use of "sweetheart," "bitch please," or "go back and research it." And I know they haven't involved the use of "get over it."

I feel the same way, and that's why I come back for more.

I confess that I've called DS, "baby," I think, or something kind of like it. I think it was in the thread where he posted pictures of himself before the inauguration.

I think it upset him pretty badly.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

(I'm using generic "you" here)
If you were someone I saw everyday, especially if you were someone that I saw everyday and liked, I wouldn't jump as readily to criticize your political or social opinions, especially without more regard for how I expressed my disagreement.

Since this forum exists for us to talk and debate about stuff, I assume that people are interested in debate and might even enjoy disagreement for the sake of teasing out and strengthening their own opinions.

I don't think I've ever said anything I'd be completely ashamed of online or anything (well, if I thought long enough, I'm sure I could think of something), but sometimes I post without considering things as much as I would if I were sending out a neighborhood newsletter.

I really appreciate your explanation and I thank you for it. I do agree that when we are with friends, we are careful not to overtly express our disagreements with their opinions. But what about the opposite, when a "friend" happens to be the ONLY representation of {insert your ethnic group here}... What about someone who is biracial or multiracial? And someone says something ignorant about XYZ person? When do I take this as "real"? Just asking?

And while people strengthen their own personal opinions, some people gain great insights and CHANGE their opinions!!! How can THAT happen on a message board? WOW!!! Moreover, this might be the ONLY place that some of people interact with someone of another ethnic group... Shocking, but true. So rather than us blasting each other, how do you think we can approach a more "shared" experience?

Sorry, for the length, starting watching "Freedom Writers"...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I really appreciate your explanation and I thank you for it. I do agree that when we are with friends, we are careful not to overtly express our disagreements with their opinions. But what about the opposite, when a "friend" happens to be the ONLY representation of {insert your ethnic group here}... What about someone who is biracial or multiracial? And someone says something ignorant about XYZ person? When do I take this as "real"? Just asking?

And while people strengthen their own personal opinions, some people gain great insights and CHANGE their opinions!!! How can THAT happen on a message board? WOW!!! Moreover, this might be the ONLY place that some of people interact with someone of another ethnic group... Shocking, but true. So rather than us blasting each other, how do you think we can approach a more "shared" experience?

Sorry, for the length, starting watching "Freedom Writers"...

I think we do change our opinions, even if we don't post accordingly. Perhaps we should bump threads and note when we have completely come around.