The 2008 Election Day LIVE Thread

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

But KSigkid, you have to admit, the party as it stands today does not deserve the "Grand Old Party" moniker. The inmates are running the asylum and the fiscal conservatives and small-government conservatives have been lost beneath the pile of social issues and scare-tactics and name-calling the people that are now considered the "base" have been allowed to make its face. I personally don't feel anything negative toward "Republicans" because I don't even recognize them anymore, I'm just glad the hard-right-loonies didn't have their way. Unfortunately, most people equate them with "Republican". Don't get touchy that people are reacting strongly about the extreme righties, if that's not you, that's not who they're talking about. Don't take the whole burden of the failed party on your shoulders, either. The boys at the controls of the party machine need to break out the manual and get to tinkering if they want to get it back up and running. 'Cause that thing is done broke.

You have been incredibly respectful, one of the most respectful people I have dealt with throughout the campaign. I have a ton of respect for the way you have approached things. But I do remain touchy when people equate certain Republicans with the party as a whole. I'm not disputing that there were some crazies who made their voice heard during this election. As you have probably noted from my previous comments, I'm not thrilled with the way the Republican party has turned in the past few months.

But, I am seriously concerned that there are some, on this board, and otherwise, who have so much anger towards the Republicans. It's almost like, if it's not unanimous, that there are issues.

As a Republican, I do take the burden of the party upon myself. I have tried to represent the party to my best ability, and it bothers me when some try to paint the whole party with a broad brush. The machinery is broken, but as a Republican, I take that burden upon myself as a member of the party.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

But KSigkid, you have to admit, the party as it stands today does not deserve the "Grand Old Party" moniker. The inmates are running the asylum and the fiscal conservatives and small-government conservatives have been lost beneath the pile of social issues and scare-tactics and name-calling the people that are now considered the "base" have been allowed to make its face. I personally don't feel anything negative toward "Republicans" because I don't even recognize them anymore, I'm just glad the hard-right-loonies didn't have their way. Unfortunately, most people equate them with "Republican". Don't get touchy that people are reacting strongly about the extreme righties, if that's not you, that's not who they're talking about. Don't take the whole burden of the failed party on your shoulders, either. The boys at the controls of the party machine need to break out the manual and get to tinkering if they want to get it back up and running. 'Cause that thing is done broke.

And this is exactly what happened to the Democrats when they lost the religious vote during the Reagan era. You're kind of being a dick here, NA - this is an awkward post-hoc analysis from a victorious group during an election that couldn't have possibly gone any other way . . . it's very similar to the Clinton mid-term elections, to be quite honest. I just don't get why you'd even post this - and this, as one of your biggest message-board fans, whatever that's worth.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamDiva

glad it's over. not thrilled with the outcome. but i will move on.

i understand and appreciate the historical significance.....i just really wonder if i will be proud or ashamed to tell my children i did not vote for Obama......only time will tell.

congrats to those who campaigned for him. many of my friends spent long days doing just that, so i understand the effort made.

why should you be ashamed?

If you have a solid reason for backing your candidate, then there is no problem....

[sthrnsweetie007]

Nader. Nader. Nader. what are we to do with him? just wow. CNN keeps replaying it. lol

[OneTimeSBX]

AlphaGamDiva...only time will tell is right!! but you should always have some pride in voting to begin with! and now you are allowed to complain lol!

gonna hit the sheets...i am mentally SHOT! catch up with you all tomorrow!

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by sthrnsweetie007

Nader. Nader. Nader. what are we to do with him? just wow. CNN keeps replaying it. lol

Nader has really cashed in all his chips, so to speak. He did some good things for the population, but now he's living on his reputation.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Nader has really cashed in all his chips, so to speak. He did some good things for the population, but now he's living on his reputation.

I'm going to be the lightning rod for stupid people who can't hold an intelligent conversation, but he actually has a moderate point - remember that multiple sources reported that Obama's run for editor of the Harvard Law Journal was promoted strongly by black students thinking that Obama would provide a strong voice for their movement . . . instead, he provided a strong centrist voice, and actually moved past politics (to their chagrin).

Assuming Nader is referring to Obama's ability to retain his strong minority base, he actually may have an interesting point - what happens when Obama actually lives up to his centrist (or, rather, mutual-respect) ideals?

[DaemonSeid]

Jesse Jackson in tears...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...son.crying.cnn

[epchick]

Originally Posted by sthrnsweetie007

The people vote aka the popular vote, determines which candidate gets the electoral votes.

Just an FYI...but this doesn't always happen. The electors of each state can decide to ignore the popular vote (of their state) and vote for whoever they want.

It happened in the 2000 presidential election. Al Gore won the popular vote, Bush won the electoral vote.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

You have been incredibly respectful, one of the most respectful people I have dealt with throughout the campaign. I have a ton of respect for the way you have approached things. But I do remain touchy when people equate certain Republicans with the party as a whole. I'm not disputing that there were some crazies who made their voice heard during this election. As you have probably noted from my previous comments, I'm not thrilled with the way the Republican party has turned in the past few months.

But, I am seriously concerned that there are some, on this board, and otherwise, who have so much anger towards the Republicans. It's almost like, if it's not unanimous, that there are issues.

As a Republican, I do take the burden of the party upon myself. I have tried to represent the party to my best ability, and it bothers me when some try to paint the whole party with a broad brush. The machinery is broken, but as a Republican, I take that burden upon myself as a member of the party.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

And this is exactly what happened to the Democrats when they lost the religious vote during the Reagan era. You're kind of being a dick here, NA - this is an awkward post-hoc analysis from a victorious group during an election that couldn't have possibly gone any other way . . . it's very similar to the Clinton mid-term elections, to be quite honest. I just don't get why you'd even post this - and this, as one of your biggest message-board fans, whatever that's worth.

A double-shot from the KSigs!

Ok, first, I wasn't trying to be a "dick" RC, I'm not sure why you read it that way. I was actually, in my own emotionally-exhausted-way, trying to show my support for what I think of as the "Republican" party. I grew up with the GOP and still have respect for its core principles. I was trying to say that I just don't even recognize the party that's operating right now under the "Republican" banner. And I think it's great, KSigkid, that you see it as a responsibility to take the burden on as a "Republican", but I just didn't want to see you taking people's comments about the booing, etc., so personally. I don't think anyone on this board thinks of you guys and your beliefs with the same distaste they may have for the more the extreme voices that have taken over for the Republicans, especially during the last legs of this campaign.

Sorry if I didn't articulate that well (before or now). I've been through enough wins and enough losses to understand how elated or depressed both sides feel right now. And it does seriously suck to be on the losing end.

[VAgirl18]

Still unbelievable.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I'm going to be the lightning rod for stupid people who can't hold an intelligent conversation, but he actually has a moderate point - remember that multiple sources reported that Obama's run for editor of the Harvard Law Journal was promoted strongly by black students thinking that Obama would provide a strong voice for their movement . . . instead, he provided a strong centrist voice, and actually moved past politics (to their chagrin).

Assuming Nader is referring to Obama's ability to retain his strong minority base, he actually may have an interesting point - what happens when Obama actually lives up to his centrist (or, rather, mutual-respect) ideals?

But, you're talking about a position he took a number of years ago. One looks at his platform, and it paints a different picture. And, that relies on Nader keeping his 2008 promises, which is questionable.

Plus, I don't think Obama lives up to those centrist ideals.

[BetteDavisEyes]

AlphaGamDiva, don't be ashamed of how you voted. I have no shame in admitting that I voted for Gray Davis as the governor of California twice nor do I have shame in admitting that I signed to recall his ass. I also voted for Schwarzeneggar and have no shame in admitting it.

Take pride that you did vote and even if your candidate didn't win, you stuck to your beliefs regardless of the outcome.

[sthrnsweetie007]

I personally think, that with the Democrats taking such a huge advantage with Congress and the Presidency....

It reminds me of when other political parties in history became lackluster and slowly started to lose their power. (Whigs, Tories, Progressives, the old Democrats and Republicans (back in the 1800s), and so on and so forth) so maybe this is just this Republican Party's time to fail, rise again from the ashes, and become a strong party?

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

A double-shot from the KSigs!

Ok, first, I wasn't trying to be a "dick" RC, I'm not sure why you read it that way. I was actually, in my own emotionally-exhausted-way, trying to show my support for what I think of as the "Republican" party. I grew up with the GOP and still have respect for its core principles. I was trying to say that I just don't even recognize the party that's operating right now under the "Republican" banner. And I think it's great, KSigkid, that you see it as a responsibility to take the burden on as a "Republican", but I just didn't want to see you taking people's comments about the booing, etc., so personally. I don't think anyone on this board thinks of you guys and your beliefs with the same distaste they may have for the more the extreme voices that have taken over for the Republicans, especially during the last legs of this campaign.

Sorry if I didn't articulate that well (before or now). I've been through enough wins and enough losses to understand how elated or depressed both sides feel right now. And it does seriously suck to be on the losing end.

I respect your viewpoint - but I honestly think there are people, on this board and beyond, who have imputed the beliefs of Bush, McCain and Palin, across the party. I honestly think that some members of this board have taken the beliefs of the party and imputed them to every individual member. And, I think it's evident from the comments by some members of the board.

There are some people, like you, who have been extremely accepting of the opposite viewpoint. But, that's not universal, unfrortuntately.