Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Did you see the recent speech where Obama said we should not worry about Iran because it is a tiny country? I am not speaking out of context- that is what he said. That is a complete and utter disregard for what terrorism is and how terrorism works. It was not some huge nation that killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

Have you heard the many speeches Obama has made on evil oil companies or high gas prices? They sound very appealing but lack in substance or solutions.

How often has Obama given you specific information you can understand and trust in when it comes to why and how he would accomplish something- and where the money would come from?

Did you hear Obama talk about poor people who cling to guns and religion?

Have you heard the very few times Obama has spoken about taxation and given very strong indications he will raise the capital gains tax by double digits and increase taxes across the board? Has he ever explained who the capital gains tax really affects to your satisfaction? Are you familiar with who that tax effects in the most common types of transactions to which it is subject? Did you know higher capital gains taxes decimate the middle class as well as "rich folks" and "big business."

Why did it take him until this weekend to withdraw from his church?


I am proud and happy to say that Obama is a liberal elitist who really thinks the average American is stupid enough to buy into his Utopian "Hope and Change" crap when all the time he is the ONE candidate who is refusing to put his neck on the line and be specific about his goals and honest about his past influences.

Hillary and McCain have both been very specific about what they will do, and very pragmatic in their approaches. They show a degree of intelligence, experience and maturity to rule this nation.

Obama does not. He is a fraud. Call me wrong all you want, but just wait until November when he get absolutely skunked in the general election.

agreed on every count. at this point, i'm voting mccain... at least the guy is specific and not just throwing around the words "hope" and "change".

i live in texas anyway... the republican always wins texas

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

agreed on every count. at this point, i'm voting mccain... at least the guy is specific and not just throwing around the words "hope" and "change".

i live in texas anyway... the republican always wins texas

I had questions about Obama in that regard also until I really looked at his website. He has every issue with detailed plans right out there for anybody to read. My remaining concern is that everything he wants to do costs a lot of money and I'm not sure that his plan for paying for it all will fly with Congress. But, that's our checks and balances system. I'm not sure we can go for the sweeping changes all at once. It may take baby steps to move toward the change.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I had questions about Obama in that regard also until I really looked at his website. He has every issue with detailed plans right out there for anybody to read. My remaining concern is that everything he wants to do costs a lot of money and I'm not sure that his plan for paying for it all will fly with Congress. But, that's our checks and balances system. I'm not sure we can go for the sweeping changes all at once. It may take baby steps to move toward the change.

You might not need to take baby steps if you've got large majorities in both houses.

But I hope the steps are small, like you say. That way we won't have to do too much to reverse the damage come 2012.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I think the Vote or Die tie-in is the best part of this episode.

Only because it gave rise to the greatness of the PETA compound.

PetaGuy: "Clearly you don't love animals the way WE love animals"
Stan: "Umm, yeah"

Originally Posted by AGDee

My remaining concern is that everything he wants to do costs a lot of money and I'm not sure that his plan for paying for it all will fly with Congress. But, that's our checks and balances system. I'm not sure we can go for the sweeping changes all at once. It may take baby steps to move toward the change.

Sure, with gas prices up aroudn $4.00, I would LOVE to have my taxes raised for all kinds of "silver bullet" social programs!

Kitso
KS 361 times I laugh when I watch that episode and the hybrid human-ostrich thing squeals, "Kill......me, kill......ME!" LOL

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by wreckingcrew

Sure, with gas prices up aroudn $4.00, I would LOVE to have my taxes raised for all kinds of "silver bullet" social programs!

Kitso
KS 361 times I laugh when I watch that episode and the hybrid human-ostrich thing squeals, "Kill......me, kill......ME!" LOL

As a teacher, I don't think you're in the top 1% of the income earners in this country (I know, it's a big let down, but your pay isn't that great, really). He says that he would only increase taxes for those in the top 1% and would actually make the tax breaks larger for those in our tax bracket. And, if we weren't paying for Iraq every day, we'd be saving a lot of $$ too.

But, that is my biggest concern with him too.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AGDee

As a teacher, I don't think you're in the top 1% of the income earners in this country (I know, it's a big let down, but your pay isn't that great, really). He says that he would only increase taxes for those in the top 1% and would actually make the tax breaks larger for those in our tax bracket. And, if we weren't paying for Iraq every day, we'd be saving a lot of $$ too.

But, that is my biggest concern with him too.

How do you reconcile the top 1% of income with the 75,000 dollar income threshold that Obama has mentioned previously?

Do you really think he's going to be able to get out quick in Iraq? Quick enough that we'd be talking about substantial cost savings? Even if we could do it, I don't think it's be the right thing to do, but I really don't see it happening even if he is elected. What do you think?

ETA: I find Obama pretty likable and I think I'd like to have him as a professor, but I just don't want the government trying to do more for us since what they do already they do relatively poorly.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

How do you reconcile the top 1% of income with the 75,000 dollar income threshold that Obama has mentioned previously?

Do you really think he's going to be able to get out quick in Iraq? Quick enough that we'd be talking about substantial cost savings? Even if we could do it, I don't think it's be the right thing to do, but I really don't see it happening even if he is elected. What do you think?

ETA: I find Obama pretty likable and I think I'd like to have him as a professor, but I just don't want the government trying to do more for us since what they do already they do relatively poorly.

I haven't read all of his documents in a while but I thought it was tax cuts for those under $75K, tax increases for the top 1%. Don't quote me on that though. As I said, I have real concerns about how it's all going to be paid for. Then again, most of what candidates promise don't happen because they find out what they're up against when they actually get into office.

I think we need to have a plan for when we're getting out of Iraq and stick to it. The Iraqi government will lean on us forever rather than take responsibility, if we let them. If they know we're getting out and we actually follow our plan, I think it will be fine. In fact, I think violence in Iraq will decrease because the insurgents are insurging against US more than against their own government.

None of these plans are going to be implemented the day the guy is elected. And, as I said, baby steps toward the ultimate goal are what is realistic. I don't think 4 years is enough time to make a significant difference in our country.

The key issues that I want to see addressed are health care, social security, the economy and the war. Those are my 4 biggies. I would also like to retain as many personal freedoms as possible. Each individual has their own hot button issues though.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You might not need to take baby steps if you've got large majorities in both houses.

But I hope the steps are small, like you say. That way we won't have to do too much to reverse the damage come 2012.

I was watching...well one of those political shows...last night and one of the guys said something that struck me. Our government was set up to cause "gridlock" so that drastic changes wouldn't unsettle the entire population.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I was watching...well one of those political shows...last night and one of the guys said something that struck me. Our government was set up to cause "gridlock" so that drastic changes wouldn't unsettle the entire population.

Not just to avoid unsettling, but to avoid rash or extreme decisions based on crisis, to avoid irreversible shifts in policy, etc.

[UGAalum94]

The website was better than I thought. I don't know if it is more expansive than before or if I just didn't look in the right places. I hadn't looked since the start of the primaries.

I don't think there's a problem for which the answer isn't "spend more money" but that's kind of what I expect from all Democrats honestly and lately a lot of Republicans as well. Of course how the government is going to get the money is never spelled out as well as how to spend it. Honestly though, Obama has been a little better about this than most people with his comments about taxes on anyone making more than 75,000 as household income. Scary but honest.

And of course with education especially, there's a lot of stuff that it's hard for me to accept that it's the federal government's job to do. He also seems unaware that some of the educational programs he favors don't deliver the clear benefits he seems to think they do. And the commentary about No Child Left Behind is laughable. But all politicians are bad about NCLB.

The page is substantial but kind of affirms how much Obama supports that I don't. I don't want to pin my hopes for change on more federal government spending, thanks.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

The website was better than I thought. I don't know if it is more expansive than before or if I just didn't look in the right places. I hadn't looked since the start of the primaries.

I don't think there's a problem for which the answer isn't "spend more money" but that's kind of what I expect from all Democrats honestly and lately a lot of Republicans as well. Of course how the government is going to get the money is never spelled out as well as how to spend it. Honestly though, Obama has been a little better about this than most people with his comments about taxes on anyone making more than 75,000 as household income. Scary but honest.

And of course with education especially, there's a lot of stuff that it's hard for me to accept that it's the federal government's job to do. He also seems unaware that some of the educational programs he favors don't deliver the clear benefits he seems to think they do. And the commentary about No Child Left Behind is laughable. But all politicians are bad about NCLB.

The page is substantial but kind of affirms how much Obama supports that I don't. I don't want to pin my hopes for change on more federal government spending, thanks.

And, if you don't agree with his policies, then I don't think you should vote for him. I do appreciate that you took the time to read his site. There really is a lot of substance there so he's not just all words. Someone pointed it out to me when I had similar concerns and I was impressed with how much detail he actually has out there. I do think it has become more expansive because all that wasn't there the first time I looked either.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I was watching...well one of those political shows...last night and one of the guys said something that struck me. Our government was set up to cause "gridlock" so that drastic changes wouldn't unsettle the entire population.

"The question is not how to make government work, but how to make it stop."
-P.J. O'Rourke