Gays in fraternites (pt. 2) - Page 16

DSTCHAOS · #**226** 05-13-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

The title of the thread is "gays in fraternities." "A gay" is the singular of gays, is it not?

Also, what is the point in having this thread if everyone is just going to get all upset anytime someone posts something other than "Oh, it's wonderful to have gays in your fraternity. Great brotherhood. I wish my whole house was gay!" ????

This thread is for discussion. Discussion is what happened.

My opinion of homosexuality has positively evolved over the years. But I never said it was "wonderful" to have homosexuals in organizations because "wonderful" is an unnecessary value judgment. I just think that those who are dead set on prohibiting homosexuals need to stop pretending that it is "tradition" or "private organization rights to exclude" rather than prejudice. They also need to be realistic about their assumptions of homosexuality and brotherhood. They may be surprised on what they'd find if they weren't so clueless.

DSTCHAOS · #**227** 05-13-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

I'm on here because one of them is my pledge brother and I figured I'd make a screen name and point it out while bored at work. He simply got a message that said he was banned, no reason given, and this was the only thread he'd really posted in. Other greek-related forums are considerably freer. This one might as well be controlled by the Chinese government, or possibly SigEp nationals. Ban me, delete my posts, whatever...trust me I'm not too invested in this.

Well, keep fighting the good fight.

knight_shadow · #**228** 05-13-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

I'm on here because one of them is my pledge brother and I figured I'd make a screen name and point it out while bored at work. He simply got a message that said he was banned, no reason given, and this was the only thread he'd really posted in. Other greek-related forums are considerably freer. This one might as well be controlled by the Chinese government, or possibly SigEp nationals. Ban me, delete my posts, whatever...trust me I'm not too invested in this.

Yet you're still posting...

Pledgetrainer · #**229** 05-13-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Yet you're still posting...

As I said, bored at work, might as well sit back and watch the show..hope one of you obliges. Think I'll go check out my fraternity's forum and see how gay we are nationally.

DSTCHAOS · #**230** 05-13-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

As I said, bored at work, might as well sit back and watch the show..hope one of you obliges. Think I'll go check out my fraternity's forum and see how gay we are nationally.

We're all here for something. Stop announcing why you're here. Checking your fraternity's forum to see "how gay you are nationally" is gay. Enjoy.

CrackerBarrel · #**231** 05-13-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This thread is for discussion. Discussion is what happened.

My opinion of homosexuality has positively evolved over the years. But I never said it was "wonderful" to have homosexuals in organizations because "wonderful" is an unnecessary value judgment. I just think that those who are dead set on prohibiting homosexuals need to stop pretending that it is "tradition" or "private organization rights to exclude" rather than prejudice. They also need to be realistic about their assumptions of homosexuality and brotherhood. They may be surprised on what they'd find if they weren't so clueless.

It's not discussion if taking one side of the argument gets someone banned. Honestly, that was my question. If you are only allowed to be on one side of this argument, they might as well delete this thread, because that's not a discussion at all. That's one group of people saying "Yay gays!" and another saying that they don't want gays in their house, being called monsters and then getting banned.

DSTCHAOS · #**232** 05-13-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

It's not discussion if taking one side of the argument gets someone banned.

You obviously haven't read this board if you think expressing a dissenting opinion is the reason for being banned.

CrackerBarrel · #**233** 05-13-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

You obviously haven't read this board if you think expressing a dissenting opinion is the reason for being banned.

Care to tell me what got those two banned if it wasn't the fact that they defended why houses shouldn't have to let gays in?

LaneSig · #**234** 05-13-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer

I'm on here because one of them is my pledge brother and I figured I'd make a screen name and point it out while bored at work. He simply got a message that said he was banned, no reason given, and this was the only thread he'd really posted in. Other greek-related forums are considerably freer. This one might as well be controlled by the Chinese government, or possibly SigEp nationals. Ban me, delete my posts, whatever...trust me I'm not too invested in this.

"This was the only thread he'd really posted in". Then neither could be your pledge brother, because both had made a lot of posts in this discussion and other threads.

DSTCHAOS · #**235** 05-13-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Care to tell me what got those two banned if it wasn't the fact that they defended why houses shouldn't have to let gays in?

Have you seriously read this thread? Has every poster who expressed a dissenting opinion in this thread been banned or their posts deleted? Think about it.

PrettyOnMyRight · #**236** 05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

One of my LB's is gay and it doesn't make me love him any less. Granted, he didn't come out until after we graduated GRAD SCHOOL, that does not undermine the fact that we went through the same things and we crossed those Sands TOGETHER. So be he gay or straight, he is the same man that I pledged with some twenty odd years ago. And I can live with that. But on to the point of the MB, as I have come to understand it, he is one of the more active members in his current alumni chapter so, no, gay people should not be banned from being members of our organizations. My organization, for instance, was founded upon the principle of achievement in every field of human endeavor. And personally, that man has achieved more than some of the straight frats.

AEPi BP · #**237** 05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

After reading 4 pages of this, I couldn't read everything before I posted (I do have finals I need to study for) but I figured I should represent what appears to be a minority, and that is a member of a chapter that welcomes gays. At first I thought it was because our campus is gay-friendly, but of the 10 houses on campus, we have gays, one house is VERY gay friendly (and in fact one of their gay members was just elected Greek Council president for the next year), and maybe one other has an openly gay member or two but other than that I would venture the rest have never even had an openly gay member. Our chapter adviser for the last 3 years is an openly gay alumnus. We live in a house, but it has never been an issue. We've had our gay brothers bring guys as their dates to formal, one of them has boyfriend he's been dating pretty much all year, and I always see him around the house and he's good friends with a lot of brothers. We've had at least one openly gay president, and many e-board positions have been filled by our gay brothers, including rush chair.

It's weird to me that someone could immediately say that because someone is gay their interests and ideologies automatically won't match up. As people have alluded to, there are lot of sexual fetishes out there, and I would venture that most people don't let what they do in the bedroom affect them too much. If you say that since gays have to live with ridicule, that it makes them different people, well then maybe if we don't ridicule them, they won't be so psychologically traumatized by the fact that they are gay.

CrackerBarrel · #**238** 05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

"This was the only thread he'd really posted in". Then neither could be your pledge brother, because both had made a lot of posts in this discussion and other threads.

Bowsandtoes1000 joined last night.

Pledgetrainer · #**239** 05-13-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

It's not discussion if taking one side of the argument gets someone banned. Honestly, that was my question. If you are only allowed to be on one side of this argument, they might as well delete this thread, because that's not a discussion at all. That's one group of people saying "Yay gays!" and another saying that they don't want gays in their house, being called monsters and then getting banned.

Exactly. Exalt. I'd have to work a lot harder to get on people's nerves over at another greek forum I know well...I don't want to turn this into a "people today are too damn sensitive and PC" discussion but it's tempting.

Pledgetrainer · #**240** 05-13-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Bowsandtoes1000 joined last night.

Yep that was him.