Understanding Black Patriotism

AGDee · #1 04-30-2008, 10:54 PM

I don't think that view is limited to non-whites. The Dixie Chicks got pretty slammed for speaking out against our President. The greatest thing about the U.S. is that we are supposed to be allowed to express when we don't agree with what our government officials are doing.

Kevin · #2 05-01-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

I don't think that view is limited to non-whites. The Dixie Chicks got pretty slammed for speaking out against our President. The greatest thing about the U.S. is that we are supposed to be allowed to express when we don't agree with what our government officials are doing.

The same rights extend to those who disagree with those who disagree.

AKA_Monet · #3 05-01-2008, 02:29 AM

Dyson has to say something out there to still be invited on Politically Incorrect...

At any rate, if I understand the OP link, Dyson is saying how Blacks can be patriotic or not. Or rather why should they be? I mean you can drive up in to the most gang infested hoods and you might be hard pressed to find too many folks flying the US flag... They just don't fly flags in the hood, G... However, in SOME neighborhoods, like where I grew up, you would probably find flag waving Black folks because they actually do serve, high up in the military... But that is the ONLY location I have actively seen Black folks flying anything other than a "bird"...

Should I, someone who says they are Black, LOVE all that America is and of and show my patriotism now? I have experienced racism at the hands of the government directly, so it is hard for me to be patriotic and proud of my country when I have been treated unfairly. But, I have had opportunities that would not have happened if I lived anywhere else. So basically, I view July 4th as a nice BBQ/Fireworks holiday spending all my dead presidents on with my family, et al.

DaemonSeid · #4 05-01-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Dyson has to say something out there to still be invited on Politically Incorrect...

At any rate, if I understand the OP link, Dyson is saying how Blacks can be patriotic or not. Or rather why should they be? I mean you can drive up in to the most gang infested hoods and you might be hard pressed to find too many folks flying the US flag... They just don't fly flags in the hood, G... However, in SOME neighborhoods, like where I grew up, you would probably find flag waving Black folks because they actually do serve, high up in the military... But that is the ONLY location I have actively seen Black folks flying anything other than a "bird"...

Should I, someone who says they are Black, LOVE all that America is and of and show my patriotism now? I have experienced racism at the hands of the government directly, so it is hard for me to be patriotic and proud of my country when I have been treated unfairly. But, I have had opportunities that would not have happened if I lived anywhere else. So basically, I view July 4th as a nice BBQ/Fireworks holiday spending all my dead presidents on with my family, et al.

You know in some places...you would be accused of having a 'chip' on your shoulder...or being an 'angry black woman."

AKA_Monet · #5 05-01-2008, 08:43 PM

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You know in some places...you would be accused of having a 'chip' on your shoulder...or being an 'angry black woman."

Yes, you piss me off all the time!

DaemonSeid · #6 05-02-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Yes, you piss me off all the time!

I try....

PhiGam · #7 05-01-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

I don't think that view is limited to non-whites. The Dixie Chicks got pretty slammed for speaking out against our President. The greatest thing about the U.S. is that we are supposed to be allowed to express when we don't agree with what our government officials are doing.

Another great thing is the ability to boycott a Dixie Chicks album because you disagree with them going to a foreign country and voicing disapproval with our president.

DSTCHAOS · #8 05-01-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

I don't think that view is limited to non-whites. The Dixie Chicks got pretty slammed for speaking out against our President. The greatest thing about the U.S. is that we are supposed to be allowed to express when we don't agree with what our government officials are doing.

They got slammed because of 1) the timing of their comments as 9-11 and the war were relatively fresh and 2) the political alignment of their fan base who felt they were being saturated with liberalism and anti-American sentiments.

Of course this view isn't limited to nonwhites. However, the reason why understanding black patriotism is an issue is because of the belief that whites can express certain viewpoints and, in most but not all contexts, be called critical and reflective whereas blacks are called ungrateful (Pat Buchanan said it best

) and unpatriotic. This is why the Black Church and other pillars of the black community have been a political, economic, and social strong force. This is why Jeremiah Wright, for example, was able to expouse certain viewpoints behind the pulpit, although not every Black pastor chooses to use the pulpit in that manner. But using it as such is common place and Wright's recent and old comments wouldn't have been a topic of much discussion if it had not been for his relationship with Obama.