Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

The men have finally showed up on the news.

They haven't said anything new that I've heard, but at least they're there.

Another question that I have is that if the hope is to get the children back with their families, why are there three hundred attorneys making objections and slowing the court proceedings down to a crawl?

Let's elect a spokeslawyer.

Texas law requires each child have a lawyer. Yay for pro bono I suppose. But these lawyers have been brought in, they don't know each other and aren't going to necessarily trust one of the others to speak for them. Or perhaps the law prohibits that too.

[AGDee]

The men on the Today show this morning were bizarre. The women did most of the speaking, slowly and deliberately, as if weighing every word. One of the men was asked specifically whether he would thought it was wrong to marry a 14 year old. He stated (again, carefully, deliberately) "I personally would never do such a thing".

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by AGDee

The men on the Today show this morning were bizarre. The women did most of the speaking, slowly and deliberately, as if weighing every word. One of the men was asked specifically whether he would thought it was wrong to marry a 14 year old. He stated (again, carefully, deliberately) "I personally would never do such a thing".

Follow-up should have be "But would you have sex with a 14 year old girl?
And would you want an off-spring from that relationship."
Remember it has been pointed out here and in the news that there is a great deal of local and federal monies going to these groups.

[Educatingblue]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Follow-up should have be "But would you have sex with a 14 year old girl?

We already know the answer to that question! Of course the men in the community are going to lay low (in the media) because they are the ones who get to have their cake and eat it too! I was watching the Today show the other morning and they were talking about the number of 13-yr-old pregnant mothers...

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Texas law requires each child have a lawyer.

I'm sure that makes sense on the face of it. But if they all go their own direction, this case could last a very long time.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I'm sure that makes sense on the face of it. But if they all go their own direction, this case could last a very long time.

I'm sure the laws weren't written with the possibility of 400 children at a time.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I'm sure that makes sense on the face of it. But if they all go their own direction, this case could last a very long time.

I think that would be okay in the long run. I would hate to have it drag out for the children and the surviviors of this night mare, but if it means that these rapists (because that's what they are, i don't like euphemisms) have to stand trial for each one to dig to get to know what was going on then I am for having it take a long time.

I actually feel that the "men" in this compound should be rounded and "dealt with."

[Tom Earp]

I still have the itch in the back of my mind about this so call unknown girl was that called and has never been found?

This reminds me of a bit of Waco, Texas when the Feds moved in and look what happened there.

Whether this group was wrong or right, why did the Feds swoop in?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Whether this group was wrong or right, why did the Feds swoop in?

I don't believe there were any Feds involved, swooping or otherwise. All the reports I have seen refer only to Texas law enforcement and Child Protective Services investigators participating in the raid.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't believe there were any Feds involved, swooping or otherwise. All the reports I have seen refer only to Texas law enforcement and Child Protective Services investigators participating in the raid.

I should elaborate.

I'm not making a judgement on what should or shouldn't happen to the "families."

My thought, though, is that IF the mission of the lawyers is to reunite the families (whether that's right or wrong), all of the objections are simply elongating the process and that flies in the face of what they're supposed to be trying to do.

This is a mess.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't believe there were any Feds involved, swooping or otherwise. All the reports I have seen refer only to Texas law enforcement and Child Protective Services investigators participating in the raid.

That's not the point. Since when does an anonymous call give the local, state, feds or any law agency the authority to search your house and take your kids?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by madmax

That's not the point. Since when does an anonymous call give the local, state, feds or any law agency the authority to search your house and take your kids?

Since it's the latest in a long line of complaints.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by madmax

That's not the point. Since when does an anonymous call give the local, state, feds or any law agency the authority to search your house and take your kids?

Police officers act on information from "anonymous sources" all the time. The only way I can think of to exclude the evidence seized here is if the officers acted in bad faith in relying on the anonymous tip.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by madmax

That's not the point. Since when does an anonymous call give the local, state, feds or any law agency the authority to search your house and take your kids?

Since ANY threat to a child that is reported to DCFS/police has to be followed up on. And it wasn't entirely "anonymous." Though she may not have given her full name (police likely would not release it anyway) she identified herself as an abused child at X location, (seventh) married to X guy. How can the police NOT go in. Add that with the fact that they "knew" what the compound was but had no legal reason to go there in the first place, and they got their reason.



Here's a timeline

March 29-31 – A children’s shelter received a call from a 16-year-old girl saying she lived on the Yearning for Zion ranch in Eldorado. She claimed in the call that her 50-year-old husband, later identified as Dale Barlow, beat her and sexually assaulted her. She said that she was Barlow’s seventh wife, and they were members of the Fundamentalist sect of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

April 3 – Authorities forced their way into the polygamist compound with assistance from Child Protective Services. They began interviewing children in the shelter.

April 4-7 – CPS began interviewing and removing children from the compound in buses. In total, 416 children were taken from the compound, and 139 women voluntarily left with them. They were transferred to a fort in San Angelo, and all children are put in temporary state custody.

April 8 – Two people were arrested at different times while trying to stop authorities from searching parts of the polygamist compound.

April 10 – The state officially announced why they were searching the compound, and released information about the 16-year-old girl. They also release information about beds discovered in the temple on the compound, which police say were for sex with underage girls. Meanwhile, FLDS lawyers filed motions in court to stop the searches. This is a federal search warrant btw. The FBI is involved for unknown reasons, although speculation is that it is due to inter-state trafficking of underage girls for the purposes of sex.

April 14 – Mothers who did not have children under four years old were ordered to leave the shelter. CPS said it was because they were coaching the children during interviews. This was a day after cell phones were taken from women and children of the sect.

April 17 – The custody hearing between the church of FLDS and the state began.

April 18 - A judge ordered the children stay in state custody.
April 19 -- Texas law enforcement investigated a woman who may have made a false abuse claim against the polygamist sect. A 16-year-old girl named "Sarah" called a hotline saying she was being abused by her 49-year-old husband. The call began the child abuse battle.