The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

texas*princess · #1 03-08-2008, 02:29 PM

to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway. He has like 19 votes.

It's mathematically impossible for him to be the Republican candidate. And W. already gave his seal of approval for McCain anyway.

Just sayin'.

KAPital PHINUst · #2 03-08-2008, 02:48 PM

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to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway.

If that was the case, then why is the MSM and the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep him from getting the nomination? And yes, they have been fighting HARD.

KSig RC · #3 03-08-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

If that was the case, then why is the MSM and the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep him from getting the nomination? And yes, they have been fighting HARD.

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KAPital PHINUst · #4 03-08-2008, 06:35 PM

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*LOL*

SHEEEEEYYOUUUUTTTTT!!! (read: shoot).

You wish.

SWTXBelle · #5 03-08-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by texas*princess

to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway. He has like 19 votes.

It's mathematically impossible for him to be the Republican candidate. And W. already gave his seal of approval for McCain anyway.

Just sayin'.

Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!

Not that I wish anyone ill, but should Jesus decide to take McCain to His bosom - I'd be okay with that!

KAPital PHINUst · #6 03-08-2008, 06:26 PM

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Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!

My feelings exactly! Thank you for speaking up and speaking out for Ron Paul!!

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By election, do you mean electing the nominee at the Republican Convention? Cause I got to tell you - I hate Huckabee almost as much as McCain.
I'm just tired of picking the least objectionable candidate. Even though I disagree with some of Paul's platform, I believe in his integrity in a way I don't believe in anyone else's. I do NOT know what I am going to do if it is McCain vs. Clinton/Obama. Shudder.

Cosign to the Nth degree, especially on voting for the least objectionable candidate. I am sick and tired of voting for a candidate because the MSM thinks I should because of how "popular" they are, irrespective of whether they are serious on the issues, especially ones that I find to be important.

I would much sooner vote for a candidate who while they aren't as popular, I agree with say, 80% of their stance on the issues rather than voting for candidates that I agree with no more than 25-30% of their stances on the issues. If that means I'm a right-wing kook for doing so, so be it.

This clip from a popular 70s sitcom, where they're talking about the '68 presidential election; this could've been set in 2008 and would still be dead on accurate as far as candidates and issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FqVRxiE8NA

texas*princess · #7 03-08-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!

I agree -- if I were McCain, I wouldn't want W. touching me with a 10-ft pole b/c the guy has the lowest approval ratings ever... but I'm sure they did it for the "good of the party" or whatever.

Paul is crazier than McCain... I think I'd take McCain over Paul if I had the choice... lol

SWTXBelle · #8 03-08-2008, 07:51 PM

If Bush and McCain are sane . . . I'll take the crazy man anyday.

texas*princess · #9 03-08-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

If Bush and McCain are sane . . . I'll take the crazy man anyday.

lol

Well, Huckabee & Romney look like they're out (at least according to CNN)... I highly doubt the Republican party is going to give the nomination to the guy who has 21 delegates (sorry I said 19 earlier, it looks like I was off by 2) vs. the guy who has 1289.

There would be all kinds of pissed off Republicans in this country if that happened!!! lol

SWTXBelle · #10 03-08-2008, 09:07 PM

And there's going to be all kinds of pissed off Conservatives (and Republicans, too

) if they don't!

I just want it to be over.

AGDee · #11 03-09-2008, 07:54 AM

Florida and Michigan have very different circumstances and should be looked at separately.

Florida: The REPUBLICAN state congress changed the date for the primary and the Dems had no choice. Therefore, the Dems there should not be punished. All of the candidates were on the ballot. Therefore, their delegates should be seated as is.

Michigan: A major cluster you know what. The Michigan Democratic Party (MDP from here on out) was extremely childish with it's "We're tired of Iowa and NH getting all the say so we're going to move ours earlier than them!" crap. Here we are, in March, and nothing is decided among the Dems yet so clearly Iowa and NH didn't get all the say. Because the DNC said that it was an "illegal" primary, Edwards and Obama dropped out off of the ballot and we had this stupid "Uncommitted" category. You cannot count the votes from this election because 1) Many people didn't vote at all since their candidate wasn't on the ballot and 2) You can't count the Uncommitted votes because it's impossible to know who they wanted to vote for. You absolutely cannot assume they all go to Obama because some were clearly intended for Edwards and there is no way to know how many. And then there is 3) Some may have voted for Hillary just because she was the only one with name recognition on the ballot (Gravel was also on the ballot). That doesn't mean they didn't really want Obama. For those reasons, Michigan should have a firehouse caucus at this point, paid for by the MDP because they are the ones who screwed up. It's still not right, because if we had a choice back on Super Tuesday, Edwards was still an option and he's not now.

skylark · #12 03-10-2008, 12:21 PM

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Florida: The REPUBLICAN state congress changed the date for the primary and the Dems had no choice. Therefore, the Dems there should not be punished. All of the candidates were on the ballot. Therefore, their delegates should be seated as is.

Okay, I very much disagree with this characterization of Florida.

First, just because a state legislature is made up of a majority of another party doesn't mean the state should be held unaccountable. If democrats are angry about what happened, what a great reason to reorganize themselves and petition the representatives to change it for next time. Or else maybe they should have done something beforehand and not just after the race heated up and they realized that "oh my gosh, this primary is actually important and worth fighting over."

Secondly (and more importantly, in my mind) only Hillary Clinton was on the ballot in florida, whereas every other candidate did as the DNC requested and took their name off of the ballot. Additionally, there has been rumors that Clinton DID lightly campaign in that state, and then after she won she was in Florida and declared it her victory.

This isn't a case of disenfranchisement. If either Florida or Michigan wanted their vote to count they should have made sure they followed the rules. Florida democrats, no matter what party their representatives were, should have organized themselves a long time ago if they were so concerned about their delegates counting. It isn't like this predicament was a surprise.

I personally hope the DNC doesn't back down or divides the delegates evenly. If there are "second chances" like this it will just mean there is less incentive for any other state to follow the rules or trust that when the DNC gives out rules at the beginning of a race, that they will stay the same throughout the race.

KAPital PHINUst · #13 03-10-2008, 02:02 PM

While this isn't the YouTube clip I was alluding to on Friday, this clip is as good, if not better than the original one I was telling you about.

And best of all, Ron Paul addresses some of Drolefille's and Nittany's issues they have been expressing concerning Ron Paul.

Bottom line: From Ron Paul himself, he is NOT dropping out.

Case closed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9E3TIbRNU

jon1856 · #14 03-10-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

While this isn't the YouTube clip I was alluding to on Friday, this clip is as good, if not better than the original one I was telling you about.

And best of all, Ron Paul addresses some of Drolefille's and Nittany's issues they have been expressing concerning Ron Paul.

Bottom line: From Ron Paul himself, he is NOT dropping out.

Case closed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9E3TIbRNU

Everyone can take what they wish from the above as well as this from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...ref=newssearch
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...ch#cnnSTCVideo

nittanyalum · #15 03-10-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

While this isn't the YouTube clip I was alluding to on Friday, this clip is as good, if not better than the original one I was telling you about.

And best of all, Ron Paul addresses some of Drolefille's and Nittany's issues they have been expressing concerning Ron Paul.

Bottom line: From Ron Paul himself, he is NOT dropping out.

Case closed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9E3TIbRNU

You're grasping onto semantics, which is you're right. But he as much as says this is a crusade now, not a campaign. At 2:35, when pressed, he said in terms of overcoming delegates and admitting that John McCain has the nominating number, he said "so in that way, it's over." What he keeps saying is that he feels "obligated" to still go see his supporters in the states that have upcoming primaries, he thinks people have the right to still cast a vote for him if they want to, all of that is much different than saying "I'm still in this race, and darn it, I'm going to win it!"

And don't misunderstand me, I actually like that his presence might keep McCain from making very deep inroads into "unifying" the party behind him. The more Paul splinters the GOP, the happier I am. The issue I initially took with you is your stalwart stance that he's not giving up whatsoever and the campaign is marching toward a still-possible victory at the convention. He himself has said that is not the case. What he's got going now, though, is a free pre-order book tour that I'm sure will pay off for him down the line. But keep the faith if you like, Kap, it's certainly you're right.