JENA 6

[DaemonSeid]

[QUOTE=Kevin;1523302]Not really, I generally don't pay attention to the random "injustice du jour" claimed by Al Sharpton, et al. It's just that now that we have this media circus, I feel compelled to comment on how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.



I don't know about the party. I haven't read about that anywhere. He did testify as to this, however:

[quote]
Barker said he had a badly swollen face and temporary blindness in one eye that lasted three weeks. He also said he still suffers recurring headaches since the beating but, under cross examination, acknowledged that medical tests have found no cause.

He joined fellow juniors that same night at the school's annual class ring ceremony. "I waited 11 years to go to it. I wasn't going to let that get in my way" he said. But, he said, pain drove him to leave the event early, after getting his ring.[/

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6719374

Apparently, you have to minimize Barker's injuries so that you can justify your views here. He was knocked unconscious by someone who attacked him from behind, then kicked repeatedly in the head and face by six thugs (now called "defendants"). The SOB had it coming to him, is that it?



Attempted murder in the second degree... yes, kicking an unconscious person repeatedly in the head could justify that sort of a charge. It's clear that the DA was trying to send a message with these charges -- that as a society, we find this behavior unacceptable.

Message sent.



They're completely irrelevant.

Unless you actually think that someone hanging a noose on a tree justifies a beating two days later.



Someone who uses violence to solve his problems. Someone who shows no respect for society and its laws. You know.. someone who hits someone from behind and beats the heck out of them while they're unconscious.

Kevin...you are a real peice of work.....see and your PROBLEM you don't read and you hear what you WANT to hear...this is MORE than just sound bytes from Rev. Al...there are SOOO SOO SOOOO MANY MORE involved that the ONLY name you can pull out is Rev Al and Jessie.

This is more than them....

It's MLK III, Mos Def, the NOI and so many more BUT IT'SNOT JUST ABOUT THE CELEBS....

It's about wanting fair justice and you need to read and understand the whole story before you cats this off as a 'media circus'

And you didn't know about the party? Tsk tsk...you can't possibly know about this incident and not know one of the most important aspects of this was the seveve beating he got at the party.

Come on...11 years for a Ring Dance you got beaten nearly to death? And you still go...then that means he wasn't that hurt.....riiight....


And this is a media circus you say?

Tyring to sentence a boy to 80 years and the closest thing he had to a weapon was a SHOE and you expect people to say "it's justice"?

Right ok....

I guess no one decided to charge the young man who pulled out a shotgun on some others from Jena with possesions of a firearm or attempted murder...and please tell me you didn't hear that.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Kevin...you are a real peice of work.....see and your PROBLEM you don't read and you hear what you WANT to hear...this is MORE than just sound bytes from Rev. Al...there are SOOO SOO SOOOO MANY MORE involved that the ONLY name you can pull out is Rev Al and Jessie.

Hey.. my prom date had a stomach bug (wasn't the greatest of nights). Yes, kids place a high value on these events and will go even when their health doesn't allow. The ring ceremony is hardly a "party." He had to leave early due to the pain. Further, due to swelling, he was blind in one eye for three weeks.

-- now who is only hearing what they want to hear?

And you didn't know about the party? Tsk tsk...you can't possibly know about this incident and not know one of the most important aspects of this was the seveve beating he got at the party.

You're going to have to start using names. By "he" in this case, I'm assuming you're referring to Mr. Bailey? The kid which tried (along with some friends) to force his way into a private party he hadn't been invited to and was not welcome at? Yeah... what a victim.

Like I said, in my state and others, he probably could have been lawfully shot for that stunt. Property owners are generally allowed to use force to remove trespassers.

Strangely, again, the media is silent as to whether he came and refused to leave, came and threatened violence, etc. I think it's safe to assume that he (and his friends who are for some reason never mentioned) weren't exactly Christmas Caroling.

Tyring to sentence a boy to 80 years and the closest thing he had to a weapon was a SHOE and you expect people to say "it's justice"?

That may be the max. I doubt seriously that if there's a conviction anyone will get the maximum penalty. It's possible though. The sort of beating they gave this kid could have killed him.

I guess no one decided to charge the young man who pulled out a shotgun on some others from Jena with possesions of a firearm or attempted murder...and please tell me you didn't hear that.

Did they fire the shotgun? Nope. Were they stupid for pulling it out? Perhaps. For all we know, the person in that case may have felt it necessary to have that weapon for self-defense.

I don't see anything criminal about what he did though. It's still legal to own firearms in this country.

And as for the comment about "attacking with shoes..." These were shoes attached to feet attached to the legs which were attached to six cowardly attackers. You're an intelligent person, use some common sense.

My grandfather was beaten to death in a similar manner -- no guns, knives or anything in a bar fight in Eastern Oklahoma -- probably over an oil deal gone bad. At any rate, hands and feet can be as deadly as guns -- especially when you're kicking an unconscious person in the head.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Hey.. my prom date had a stomach bug (wasn't the greatest of nights). Yes, kids place a high value on these events and will go even when their health doesn't allow. The ring ceremony is hardly a "party." He had to leave early due to the pain. Further, due to swelling, he was blind in one eye for three weeks.

-- now who is only hearing what they want to hear?



You're going to have to start using names. By "he" in this case, I'm assuming you're referring to Mr. Bailey? The kid which tried (along with some friends) to force his way into a private party he hadn't been invited to and was not welcome at? Yeah... what a victim.

Like I said, in my state and others, he probably could have been lawfully shot for that stunt. Property owners are generally allowed to use force to remove trespassers.

Strangely, again, the media is silent as to whether he came and refused to leave, came and threatened violence, etc. I think it's safe to assume that he (and his friends who are for some reason never mentioned) weren't exactly Christmas Caroling.



That may be the max. I doubt seriously that if there's a conviction anyone will get the maximum penalty. It's possible though. The sort of beating they gave this kid could have killed him.



Did they fire the shotgun? Nope. Were they stupid for pulling it out? Perhaps. For all we know, the person in that case may have felt it necessary to have that weapon for self-defense.

I don't see anything criminal about what he did though. It's still legal to own firearms in this country.

And as for the comment about "attacking with shoes..." These were shoes attached to feet attached to the legs which were attached to six cowardly attackers. You're an intelligent person, use some common sense.

My grandfather was beaten to death in a similar manner -- no guns, knives or anything in a bar fight in Eastern Oklahoma -- probably over an oil deal gone bad. At any rate, hands and feet can be as deadly as guns -- especially when you're kicking an unconscious person in the head.

U know what Kevin...we did this when we discussed Katrina...so...no more....

Kevin...smh...you are either really just that dayumed ignorant or.....wow....you compared a stomach bug to a boy who got the living crap beaten out of him...do you know how that sounds?


**sidebar** any ladies here who went to thier prom while suffering thier menstrual please raise your hands....any gents who did likewise after a brutal stompong do likewise?

You have a right to your opinion but I see now you form your opinion due to the fact that if it doesn't somehow affect you directly it doesn't matter to you but that's par for the course with most people in this country so...here is where my discourse ends with you.

[DaemonSeid]

Mychael Bell's parent's allegedly are not being permitted to attend the rally at the courthouse.....

this is coming from the live feed from cnn.com.

If it changes all will be informed.

[AKA2D '91]

I thought it said they could not go into the jail.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

I thought it said they could not go into the jail.

His grandmother is speaking now....

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

UKevin...smh...you are either really just that dayumed ignorant or.....wow....you compared a stomach bug to a boy who got the living crap beaten out of him...do you know how that sounds?

Yeah I do. I'm just showing that kids find these high school traditions to be important. So long as the kid could walk, he probably would have attended. The fact is he left early due to the pain... just like my prom night ended due to a %^@*ing stomach bug.

You have a right to your opinion but I see now you form your opinion due to the fact that if it doesn't somehow affect you directly it doesn't matter to you but that's par for the course with most people in this country so...here is where my discourse ends with you.

It really doesn't "directly affect" me at all other than it being the current media cause célèbre. I do find it severely blown out of proportion a little annoying. I do find that the coverage has been painfully one-sided to be yet another example of junk journalism.

You're not directly affected either as best I can tell.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yeah I do. I'm just showing that kids find these high school traditions to be important. So long as the kid could walk, he probably would have attended. The fact is he left early due to the pain... just like my prom night ended due to a %^@*ing stomach bug.



It really doesn't "directly affect" me at all other than it being the current media cause célèbre. I do find it severely blown out of proportion a little annoying. I do find that the coverage has been painfully one-sided to be yet another example of junk journalism.

You're not directly affected either as best I can tell.

Kevin...it's RACIST attitudes like yours that cause people to dislike and distrust Whites in this country.

IM NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED?

Please.

Hey I have work 2 times as hard to make sure that what I say or what I do will not cause me to lose a job, lose my income and most of all lose my FREEDOM.


This event going on is Jena is nothing NOTHING but a direct reminder that things HAVE NOT changed.....hell, reading your cavalier comments are proof of that already!

I am a target and a statistic every day I walk out of my door.

I am a target and a statistic each time I go out in public because someone is waiting for another of us to ACT OUT to get us on the news as a homicide statistic, a drug user or in jail.

Everytime I go into a class room I lower one stat and barely push up another...because I am one of few who are educated.

Every year I get closer to 40 I do the same....I don't have a rack of kids being taken care of by child support and I am not incarcerated nor am I causing a woman to be on welfare.

Everyday I punch in at 730 and get home at 4pm the same because am not pushing up the unemployment rate.

I got two little nephews who are 3 and 4 I worry about because of the world they are coming into and thankfully THEY TOO are not statistics because GUESS WHAT....thier FATHERS are married to thier MAMAS and LIVING in the home.

But I am not directly affected...yeah ok...believe that dumb stuff if you want.

I cannot tell you how many times I have been pulled aside because "I fit the description" or been told that I need to "watch where I am going..." or been stopped and had an ID checked because I 'didn't belong here"

It's racist idiots like you who still want us to believe that everything is alright when it isn't. That everyone here in this country gets their fair shake when we know good and dayumed well that we don't. If this was the case, we wouldn't STLL be protesting....we wouldn't have to warn our YOUNG BLACK MEN to stay outta trouble because if the cops get ya we may not see ya again! We wouldn't have to tell our Black women to stay smart and get smarter because they are burying us daily and have been doing so since birth because we are marked for prison bars by 4th grade!

That's right Kevin I am calling you out....and to make this clear so that way YOU know exactly where I am coming from...I am NOT CALLING EVERY WHITE PERSON IN AMERICA A RACIST...I am talking to YOU and people LIKE YOU.

See...YOU and people LIKE YOU are the people that messes it up for everyone else.....people like you are the reason WHY others lump IN everyone else.


I am tired.....

I am tired of having to read your crap and having to debate issues that are relevant to me to have someone LIKE YOU tell me thatit's petty BS and let it go simply because it DOES NOT affect you and therefore 'irrelevant'

I cannot and will not and the sooner you realize this and the sooner you realize that folks are UNEQUAL and we aren't protesting over some NONSENSE but protesting that 19th century attitudes still exist in this 21st century US of A then the sooner you will realize my opinions ARE RELEVANT and this sh*t that is happening to me and mine at an ALARMING rate is REAL!

Kevin your prob is....you got the luxury of a keyboard and monitor plus a thousand miles of space to project your idiocy to the world.....I always wonder what folks like you who do this would say and do if we were to ever meet in person.


Interesting thing happened on my way to the Capitol (pics coming later)

This British lady pulled me aside and was genuinely interested in what everything was all about...I told her and also told her where she can get info on the 'net about it....her reactin "What is worng with people in the United States?"

and..."I hope you don't think we all are like that" and no....I don't and after we talked for a few minutes, I was GLAD of her support.


....stomach bug be damned...should gave that girl some pepto!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I am a target and a statistic every day I walk out of my door.

And so is not-DaemonSeid!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Kevin...it's RACIST attitudes like yours that cause people to dislike and distrust Whites in this country.

Racist?

That's completely uncalled for. Not even deserving of any more response than the following:

This event going on is Jena is nothing NOTHING but a direct reminder that things HAVE NOT changed.....hell, reading your cavalier comments are proof of that already!

Yeah.. you can't even get away with blindsiding a kid and kicking him in the head while he's unconscious anymore.. gee what a shame.

It's racist idiots like you who still want us to believe that everything is alright when it isn't. That everyone here in this country gets their fair shake when we know good and dayumed well that we don't. If this was the case, we wouldn't STLL be protesting....we wouldn't have to warn our YOUNG BLACK MEN to stay outta trouble because if the cops get ya we may not see ya again! We wouldn't have to tell our Black women to stay smart and get smarter because they are burying us daily and have been doing so since birth because we are marked for prison bars by 4th grade!

How were these attackers unfairly accused? There are multiple witnesses who say one of them punched the victim in the back of the head. They say that they saw these guys kicking the unconscious victim in the head, body and face multiple times. Were they singled out and incorrectly accused due to the color of their skin?

Yeah.. they are such victims.

It seems you're projecting your racial-victim status onto them. These guys are thugs. Five of the six have prior convictions. The juvenile without the prior is being adjudicated as a minor.

It seems you're buying into the Sharpton/Jackson hype and blowing this up into being something it's not. There are 5 men who will, if guilty, go to prison.

-- where did you come down on the whole Duke thing, btw?

[Senusret I]

You got called a racist, so what? You called people thugs and punks. Get over it.

[AlethiaSi]

First off, I have to say that I am just heartbroken and shocked at the events going on in Jena. DaemonSeid, you're thread helped me to understand what was going on down there, before any other news organization covered it. I heard the story on NPR but I'm ashamed to say that I didn't think much of it at the time.

I live in a predominately black area outside on New York City. I went to a very diverse elementary and middle school, and moved to attend a predominately white high school. My college was predominately white as well. It always freaked me out.

My family is from the Midwest but I was raised in NY. My family shares the same opinions that some of you on here do. I get just as, if not more, angry with them, in regards to a topic such as this or politics, money, religion, anything. Not that my opinion is necessarily right or that it matters, it's just different. I think there is a grave social injustice in this country (on MANY different levels not just this situation.) I see it everyday, at home, my neighborhood, I see it in the Bronx where I work. I'm in a more "enlightened" state. I feel like I need a damn passport to go south or west.

This whole case disturbs me. On Monday, I went to all of my friends and asked them what they knew. They knew nothing about it, so we talked about it, looked it up. They are wearing black today.
I wish I could go to Jena to show my support, I wish things like this didn't happen.

I just wish people would do what was right. Do I think what the boys did was necessarily right? No. However, I think that the situation was spurred by an already inflamed situation. Who's fault is it?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I am biased?
Prove it.

OK - this is pretty easy:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

IM NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED?

Please.

Hey I have work 2 times as hard to make sure that what I say or what I do will not cause me to lose a job, lose my income and most of all lose my FREEDOM.


This event going on is Jena is nothing NOTHING but a direct reminder that things HAVE NOT changed.....hell, reading your cavalier comments are proof of that already!

I am a target and a statistic every day I walk out of my door.

I am a target and a statistic each time I go out in public because someone is waiting for another of us to ACT OUT to get us on the news as a homicide statistic, a drug user or in jail.

Everytime I go into a class room I lower one stat and barely push up another...because I am one of few who are educated.

Every year I get closer to 40 I do the same....I don't have a rack of kids being taken care of by child support and I am not incarcerated nor am I causing a woman to be on welfare.

Everyday I punch in at 730 and get home at 4pm the same because am not pushing up the unemployment rate.

I got two little nephews who are 3 and 4 I worry about because of the world they are coming into and thankfully THEY TOO are not statistics because GUESS WHAT....thier FATHERS are married to thier MAMAS and LIVING in the home.

But I am not directly affected...yeah ok...believe that dumb stuff if you want.

I cannot tell you how many times I have been pulled aside because "I fit the description" or been told that I need to "watch where I am going..." or been stopped and had an ID checked because I 'didn't belong here"

I mean, it's clear you're biased - in fact, all of us are.

Don't fight the label - just recognize it and work to make sure you try to see the other side. Just like you ask all the white people later in your post.

The issue is unequal application of justice, right? This has gone way beyond that, though, in my opinion - it has partially turned into a spectacle for a few interested parties to take to the soapbox. Whether they use this power for change or for their own self-service is to be seen, and none of us have any authority to say - only time can tell, unfortunately. However, I see no reason to discount the assertion that this may be getting attention for the wrong reasons, in some ways.

Also, shinerbock's point about "taking sides" and inconsistencies in viewpoint with the Durham DA malfeasance is striking - I really sympathize with the Jena kids, because they have strong opponents trying to screw them, but that point made me consider, for the first time, that for some people, it's no longer about what's right, but about what they want (or what makes them famous).

I hope both sets of kids serve the exact same punishment, in scope and degree, and people take an honest look at systems that are corrupt and bankrupt on race issues - not just the Jena schools and the LA legal system, but the way in which we all handle race, from myself to CNN.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

OK - this is pretty easy:



I mean, it's clear you're biased - in fact, all of us are.

Don't fight the label - just recognize it and work to make sure you try to see the other side. Just like you ask all the white people later in your post.

The issue is unequal application of justice, right? This has gone way beyond that, though, in my opinion - it has partially turned into a spectacle for a few interested parties to take to the soapbox. Whether they use this power for change or for their own self-service is to be seen, and none of us have any authority to say - only time can tell, unfortunately. However, I see no reason to discount the assertion that this may be getting attention for the wrong reasons, in some ways.

Also, shinerbock's point about "taking sides" and inconsistencies in viewpoint with the Durham DA malfeasance is striking - I really sympathize with the Jena kids, because they have strong opponents trying to screw them, but that point made me consider, for the first time, that for some people, it's no longer about what's right, but about what they want (or what makes them famous).

I hope both sets of kids serve the exact same punishment, in scope and degree, and people take an honest look at systems that are corrupt and bankrupt on race issues - not just the Jena schools and the LA legal system, but the way in which we all handle race, from myself to CNN.

k sig...thank you...LOL


I knew that I was...just wanted to see if someone could do it.... *wink*

and not to mention your comments are on point

[DSTRen13]

A really interesting article about the issue (not sure if this has been posted before?): http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510

I really haven't done extensive enough research to know whether I support all the claims of the article or not, but I do have to agree with the main point. I can't believe that the people in that town ever let things get this far. What is wrong with people??