Purdue Suspends two Fraternities

ForeverRoses · #1 08-17-2007, 08:58 AM

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...OCAL/708170534

I was struck by the fact that the associate dean actually stuck up for the greek community-
"It's important to remember, too," Malavenda said, "that there are 77 other fraternities and sororities that are listening to us and following the rules."

Tom Earp · #2 08-17-2007, 02:55 PM

Well, I guess those GLOs lose and it is the others gain im membership.

But, the overall is we all lose.

exlurker · #3 08-18-2007, 05:25 PM

Three more Purdue fraternities have been suspended for alcohol-related violations, according to the August 18, 2007 Indianapolis Star. The three are Kappa Delta Rho, Pi Kappa Alpha, and Sigma Alpha Epsilon; see article:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...LOCAL/70818001

Brief excerpt from longer article:

The Office of the Dean of Students reported that Kappa Delta Rho, Pi Kappa Alpha and Sigma Alpha Epsilon held functions this week in which minors were given or possessed alcohol. The groups also did not register their social functions with the Interfraternity Council, a requirement.

Delta Upsilon and Phi Kappa Psi were suspended earlier this week for the same violations.

Tom Earp · #4 08-19-2007, 10:35 AM

What a sad state of affairs. Dang Greeks!

These young people can do about anything but drink!

Say die for our country, vote, get married, a job have kids, but still NO NO to drink!

Purdue, booze police.

DeltAlum · #5 08-19-2007, 12:13 PM

I hope this isn't too paranoid, but it seems to me that this may be the beginning of what could be a huge reaction to the indictments of the university officials at Rider.

Five chapters in a very short time seems more than coincidence.

Most of you know, though, that my opinion has been for quite some time that what happened at Rider was inevitable given the increase in litigation and the widening of those who are named in suits in recent years.

Those of you who read this forum back when I was moderator know that I also believe that it would be good to lower the drinking age (for beer only, maybe?) to eighteen -- but until that happens our chapters have to obey the law or risk closing.

It's not enough to say that college students are going to drink no matter what. While that's true, corporate entities such as our chapters can't afford to be part of illegal activities. Which is what underage drinking (and also hazing) are -- illegal.

Tom Earp · #6 08-19-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I hope this isn't too paranoid, but it seems to me that this may be the beginning of what could be a huge reaction to the indictments of the university officials at Rider.

Five chapters in a very short time seems more than coincidence.

Most of you know, though, that my opinion has been for quite some time that what happened at Rider was inevitable given the increase in litigation and the widening of those who are named in suits in recent years.

Those of you who read this forum back when I was moderator know that I also believe that it would be good to lower the drinking age (for beer only, maybe?) to eighteen -- but until that happens our chapters have to obey the law or risk closing.

It's not enough to say that college students are going to drink no matter what. While that's true, corporate entities such as our chapters can't afford to be part of illegal activities. Which is what underage drinking (and also hazing) are -- illegal.

DeltAlum while this is so true and we both think some what a like, it seems so hypocritical at times.

I guess it would not be if the Law was changed?

So, the next question is will it ever be? Probably not.

Will the Bills for Greek Donations be passed, probably not.

While we have the best of Govrnments compared to others, they are doing not a darn thing except for themselves!

banditone · #7 08-19-2007, 01:51 PM

Wow, those are some big chapters (other then Kappa Delta Rho)

Fleur de Lis · #8 08-19-2007, 03:30 PM

Purdue police are absolutely ridiculous about "catching" underage drinkers. When I was an advisor there, the girls in my chapter were so afraid of being caught, they would risk their safety. For example, the police hang out in front of the freshman dorms, and even if you take a cab home and walk into your building, they will arrest you for public intoxication. So girls would stay at fraternity houses or risk driving drunk so as not to draw attention by pulling up in a cab. Of course the solution would be to not drink underage, but there is nothing else to do in West Lafayette.

Tom Earp · #9 08-19-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fleur de Lis

Purdue police are absolutely ridiculous about "catching" underage drinkers. When I was an advisor there, the girls in my chapter were so afraid of being caught, they would risk their safety. For example, the police hang out in front of the freshman dorms, and even if you take a cab home and walk into your building, they will arrest you for public intoxication. So girls would stay at fraternity houses or risk driving drunk so as not to draw attention by pulling up in a cab. Of course the solution would be to not drink underage, but there is nothing else to do in West Lafayette.

WOW, this is utmost interesting.

So, what was their probable cause for stopping them, walking to the dorms?

Did they give them sobrierty tests? Did they give a blood test? Did they give them a intoxilizer test?

Here again it goes back to cause.

Sounds like harrasment to me.

Hello ACLU, where are you?

macallan25 · #10 08-19-2007, 05:59 PM

Intoxilizer test. Haha.

DeltAlum · #11 08-20-2007, 08:50 PM

Yep, intoxilizer. Old technology, but still in use...

"The state of Arizona uses a machine called the Intoxilizer 5000 to determine blood alcohol levels. The Intoxilizer 5000 was developed using old technology. In fact, the Z-80 microprocessor used by the Intoxilizer 5000 was introduced over 30 years ago."

http://www.arizonadrunkdriving.com/intoxilyzer.html

banditone · #12 08-20-2007, 09:26 PM

per every lawyer I know, don't ever blow.

Kevin · #13 08-21-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by banditone

per every lawyer I know, don't ever blow.

In some states that's an automatic and significant suspension of your driver's license. That's definitely not good advice for everyone. I'm not saying that I know the answer, but I can't imagine that the above would always be the answer.

GeekyPenguin · #14 08-21-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

In some states that's an automatic and significant suspension of your driver's license. That's definitely not good advice for everyone. I'm not saying that I know the answer, but I can't imagine that the above would always be the answer.

I was just about to post the same thing. Maybe it varies by state but in both states I've interned not blowing means no driver's license for at least the next year.

Kevin · #15 08-21-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

I was just about to post the same thing. Maybe it varies by state but in both states I've interned not blowing means no driver's license for at least the next year.

Yeah, it's different from state to state of course. In Oklahoma, my younger brother has had a couple of DUIs... bad luck both times. At any rate, he just got over a 1-year suspended license. I'm not sure it made a difference as to whether he refused or not.. and I wouldn't hazard a guess either way.

All I'm saying (and I'm sure you'd agree) that the answer to this question is going to involve a cost-benefit analysis which will weigh heavily on the individual facts of the case (e.g., Can the person pass a field sobriety test? What's the person's BAC?) and the law of the land.

Laws vary significantly from state to state.

I know you know all of this. I'm just saying it for the benefit of anyone who might read this.