Male "Sorority" Controversy at Tennessee State

DSTCHAOS · #1 06-21-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

Yes.

OneTimeSBX · #2 06-21-2007, 04:31 PM

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

DSTCHAOS · #3 06-21-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

I was jokingly serious.

We would have lawsuits if we expelled those who obtained membership before our sex vs. gender policy was enacted.

But I don't foresee this being an issue..

Ilaria Ame · #4 06-21-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I was jokingly serious.

We would have lawsuits if we expelled those who obtained membership before our sex vs. gender policy.

But I don't foresee this being an issue..

ah. yeah, me neither. it's just one of those hypothetical things.

tauforlife1987 · #5 06-21-2007, 10:47 PM

I have always understood that the gender ideals was based on tradition. Now I don't want to sound trite but tradition is one thing that makes the fraternity or sorority. Now i agree also that everyone fits in somewhere but I don't think i could be very perceptive to transgender rushees just because its not in the rule books. Now technically that is discrimination but i really wonder how all that works? As long as people push the norms of society will we ever know what is truly acceptable. Even though i wouldn't approve of having a transgender brother as long as he held to the values of my organization id have to and want to call him brother.

DSTCHAOS · #6 06-21-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tauforlife1987

As long as people push the norms of society will we ever know what is truly acceptable.

No. There is no such thing as TRULY acceptable (or moral). It always has been and always will be based on a society's concept of normative versus deviant behavior.

IncontRHOllable · #7 06-21-2007, 11:18 PM

Interesting discussion, carry on.

tauforlife1987 · #8 06-21-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No. There is no such thing as TRULY acceptable (or moral). It always has been and always will be based on a society's concept of normative versus deviant behavior.

Well the values i were intiated into says otherwise, and thats on a person by person basis i know, but according to my fraternal values which i live up to everyday says that there is a moral code of the way a man should act and conduct his self. So thats my story and i'm sticking to it. And I am sure you have values that you choose to live up to that are apart of your organization. I think thats what people forget about fraternities. Yes we have fun, but its seriously more than that. Otherwise what sets the Greek experience apart from the average everyday colleigate one!

ladygreek · #9 06-21-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

yes lying on the application is an expellable offense. But my question was more about those who were initiated before there was such a clause specifying they had to have been born a female, or such a question asked on the application.

Ilaria Ame · #10 06-21-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yes.

would you really? i mean, these...um, humans....have already gone through their process and proven themselves worthy of membership...they've (theoretically) been a member for awhile and (again, theoretically) been upstanding members who hold the ideals of DST to heart...you wouldn't even consider it?

edit: i'm speaking of a transgender woman, not a man who had a sex-change in this case. why should someone be faulted for something they can't control?