"Why Did You Decide to Join ...That?"

[RedefinedDiva]

What I don't understand is how can members of newer orgs. decide NOT to answer questions asked about your orgs.? How else is someone to find out about your org. and what it does? The same way that you feel people are taking your words out of context is the same way you may be taking the responses/questions of others.

Some of our questions are NOT meant to have you "justify" your orgs., but merely to get to the root of their existence. While some orgs. are boasting that they offer all of these great things to your members, no one is willing to EXPLAIN what they are. All I keep reading is that the D9 or "traditional" orgs. don't offer this and don't offer that, yet no one can really tell us what that is. I haven't heard any mention of programs, initiatives, recruitment objectives, retention efforts, etc. As soon as those questions are asked, you either can't answer because you DON'T KNOW or the ever-confusing "I'm not going to 'justify' my org. to you...." BS. WTH?

I just hope that these orgs. REALLY have solid plans instead of the thoughts of "glitz and glamour" that comes with being in a "sorority" or "fraternity."

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

What I don't understand is how can members of newer orgs. decide NOT to answer questions asked about your orgs.? How else is someone to find out about your org. and what it does? The same way that you feel people are taking your words out of context is the same way you may be taking the responses/questions of others.

Some of our questions are NOT meant to have you "justify" your orgs., but merely to get to the root of their existence. While some orgs. are boasting that they offer all of these great things to your members, no one is willing to EXPLAIN what they are. All I keep reading is that the D9 or "traditional" orgs. don't offer this and don't offer that, yet no one can really tell us what that is. I haven't heard any mention of programs, initiatives, recruitment objectives, retention efforts, etc. As soon as those questions are asked, you either can't answer because you DON'T KNOW or the ever-confusing "I'm not going to 'justify' my org. to you...." BS. WTH?

I just hope that these orgs. REALLY have solid plans instead of the thoughts of "glitz and glamour" that comes with being in a "sorority" or "fraternity."

YES! to your entire post!!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

Some of our questions are NOT meant to have you "justify" your orgs., but merely to get to the root of their existence. While some orgs. are boasting that they offer all of these great things to your members, no one is willing to EXPLAIN what they are. All I keep reading is that the D9 or "traditional" orgs. don't offer this and don't offer that, yet no one can really tell us what that is. I haven't heard any mention of programs, initiatives, recruitment objectives, retention efforts, etc. As soon as those questions are asked, you either can't answer because you DON'T KNOW or the ever-confusing "I'm not going to 'justify' my org. to you...." BS. WTH?

Exactly.

I have to be honest and say I don't care what the newer orgs are about. That's for them to work out on their own so they can get their members. I think her org is a good idea but they need to make sure they know what they're about--besides nontraditional students.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Exactly.

I have to be honest and say I don't care what the newer orgs are about. That's for them to work out on their own so they can get their members. I think her org is a good idea but they need to make sure they know what they're about--besides nontraditional students.

I do know. I just hadn't shared it on here. There must have been a whole bunch of fly by night orgs that were not well thought out, and talked big noise, repped on GC just to fade into obscurity or even die. I say that because I feel like I walked up into something that somebody else FUBAR'd before my arrival, and I'm paying the price for what they did. I just don't understand some of these attitudes.

Anyhoo, I'm not going to pretend that I have all my bases covered. But, I wouldn't have gone forward with Theta Gamma Pi if I wasn't committed to doing my best to make it a success.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

I do know. I just hadn't shared it on here.

I figured you knew. Does your org have a website so you won't be asked a lot of questions that can be answered there?

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

There must have been a whole bunch of fly by night orgs that were not well thought out, and talked big noise, repped on GC just to fade into obscurity or even die. I say that because I feel like I walked up into something that somebody else FUBAR'd before my arrival, and I'm paying the price for what they did. I just don't understand some of these attitudes.

Yep. Your other post was perceived as defensive and some of that MIGHT have to do with our experiences on this board, on other boards, and off the internet with newer organizations.

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

Anyhoo, I'm not going to pretend that I have all my bases covered. But, I wouldn't have gone forward with Theta Gamma Pi if I wasn't committed to doing my best to make it a success.

Good luck to you.

[AKA_Monet]

Roz-

What if TOMORROW, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. changed it policies on membership intake and stated we will now induct non-traditional, online, and part time students because they can become valued members to my Sorority?

How would your sorority "compete" against our years of inducting (spelled marketing, membership information and recruitment) of members?

I think sistahgreeks, Ladylike and DSTChaos are trying to help you. Along with BlueReign and my soror, RefinedDiva... They are PROFESSIONALS in various fields that KNOW how something in life works... I know my Soror Refined is in the law and there are several legal things you need to be following so that when someone sues you, you are not asking your membership to pay...

By statements like: "Asking how to run a GLO, then stating that you don't have to "justify" your organization...Well, that sounds too much like biting the hand that fed you...

[BlueReign]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Roz-

What if TOMORROW, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. changed it policies on membership intake and stated we will now induct non-traditional, online, and part time students because they can become valued members to my Sorority?

How would your sorority "compete" against our years of inducting (spelled marketing, membership information and recruitment) of members?

I think sistahgreeks, Ladylike and DSTChaos are trying to help you. Along with BlueReign and my soror, RefinedDiva... They are PROFESSIONALS in various fields that KNOW how something in life works... I know my Soror Refined is in the law and there are several legal things you need to be following so that when someone sues you, you are not asking your membership to pay...

By statements like: "Asking how to run a GLO, then stating that you don't have to "justify" your organization...Well, that sounds too much like biting the hand that fed you...

Hey, I can see this happening. The field of education is changing rapidly and we have got to change along with it. This is not a hard thing to imagine happening, "a grand chapter for non-traditional students"!

You know, AKAMonet, these new people on here really don't want our advice or anything. They came on greekchat to play. Like I told the originator of this thread to get off and go do something to building his fraternity and he kept posting nonsense anyway. The time spent on here could be better spent on her building a superb web site that would answer some questions. Since this sorority should cater to on-line students I would be trying to link up or partner with those on-line universities. Does that make too much sense?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by BlueReign

Hey, I can see this happening. The field of education is changing rapidly and we have got to change along with it. This is not a hard thing to imagine happening, "a grand chapter for non-traditional students"!

You know, AKAMonet, these new people on here really don't want our advice or anything. They came on greekchat to play. Like I told the originator of this thread to get off and go do something to building his fraternity and he kept posting nonsense anyway. The time spent on here could be better spent on her building a superb web site that would answer some questions. Since this sorority should cater to on-line students I would be trying to link up or partner with those on-line universities. Does that make too much sense?

I know you asked this of AKAMonet, but I feel you. That is why so much defensiveness is shown even when we are trying to help.

Bottomline: they do somewhat resent the D9 regardless of what they say. Sometimes people avoid situations that may lead to rejection so they never try. Then they can always say I wasn't rejected, I never even applied.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

That is why so much defensiveness is shown even when we are trying to help.

I don't really think people are trying to help.

I think people are expressing their opinions and asking questions to suit their own "curiosity." Helping would require less of an audience and involve things like PMing the person if people cared so much. Maybe the poster has already received PMs.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I don't really think people are trying to help.

I think people are expressing their opinions and asking questions to suit their own "curiosity." Helping would require less of an audience and involve things like PMing the person if people cared so much. Maybe the poster has already received PMs.

Well I will speak for myself. My first post to RozRochelle was what I thought was a validation of her need to form her sorority. And to let her know that the things she mentioned were been discussed in the NPHC.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Well I will speak for myself. My first post to the young lady was what I thought was a validation of her need to form her sorority. And to let her know that the things she mentioned were been discussed in the NPHC.

The initial posts to her were helpful in that they gave her something to think about even if she didn't respond. After the initial posts, I don't blame her for not being that receptive or responsive. It can appear that she's being approached from all angles and she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I know you asked this of AKAMonet, but I feel you. That is why so much defensiveness is shown even when we are trying to help.

Bottomline: they do somewhat resent the D9 regardless of what they say. Sometimes people avoid situations that may lead to rejection so they never try. Then they can always say I wasn't rejected, I never even applied.

It's just hard for some people to accept the fact that not everyone thinks the D9 is a FIT for them.

I admire the D9 and respect it, but from what I know and have observed (and I admit I don't know everything and haven't observed everything), I don't think any of the sororities and myself would "fit" together. I am too non-conformist, too much of a free-thinker, too militant, too outspoken, and I'm not all that big on tradition - which I think is a big no-no in the venerable D9 sororities.

I know myself very well, and it is better that I do my own thing or remain independent. My choices have nothing to do with resentment or rejection.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

I am too non-conformist, too much of a free-thinker, too militant, too outspoken, and I'm not all that big on tradition - independent.

Interesting. You just descibed me and many of my sorors, which is what makes our org dynamic rather than stgnant.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Interesting. You just descibed me and many of my sorors, which is what makes our org dynamic rather than stgnant.

I always felt that Delta was Founded by and for a group of women who fit that description.

[RozRochelle]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Interesting. You just descibed me and many of my sorors, which is what makes our org dynamic rather than stgnant.

Really? That's cool. I guess I'm just used to being the "odd" one. I always have been.