Random: Recruitment

[KSUViolet06]

Not anything serious but:

I'm excited to help out with recruitment on the volunteer/advisor side this year.

I'm going to be doing alot with Prep/Refinement Week (dress checks & NPC rules 101). I'm also going to be making "Spirit Bags" for the sisters filled with mints, Tylenol (recruitment is very loud & everyone has a headache at theend of the day), candy, and little inspirational notes to help them feel good and get excited about everything.

Just wanted to share my excitement.

Oh and while I'm thinking about it:

Myth #4: You will be happy if you join a sorority that everyone considers the most popular on campus.

I can't tell you how many girls I know who drop out of sororities that are supposedly the "popular ones" because they aren't happy. Joining a sorority because "it's the one everyone liked during rush" is not smart. You're supposed to make choices based on what you like, not everyone else. If you go back to groups or cut groups based on what other girls like, you could find yourself in a sorority that you don't really like.

[AlphaFrog]

Myth #4 - You should never, ever suicide.

If you get to that place, and you KNOW you will only be happy at ONE of the houses you preffed, and you KNOW in your heart of hearts that you will not be able to even give another house a fair shot, go ahead and suicide. Or, even better, if you have the option (we did), put your #1, and then a house that cut you Round 1, as you obviously won't be on their bid list. That way, you'll still have the option to accept a snap bid, or COR.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Or, even better, if you have the option (we did), put your #1, and then a house that cut you Round 1, as you obviously won't be on their bid list. That way, you'll still have the option to accept a snap bid, or COR.

This is GENUIS! Was this option discussed with PNMs at your school or was it just not against the rules?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

This is GENUIS! Was this option discussed with PNMs at your school or was it just not against the rules?

When I was filling out my bid card, I put ASA #1, but then the other house I didn't really want, so I asked if I could put somewhere where I got cut round 1, and they said I could. I picked a house I didn't think I'd mind being in, just in case...

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

When I was filling out my bid card, I put ASA #1, but then the other house I didn't really want, so I asked if I could put somewhere where I got cut round 1, and they said I could. I picked a house I didn't think I'd mind being in, just in case...

So if you weren't on ASA's bid list, you would have been just fine accepting COB from them the next day?

[FSUZeta]

not a myth, but some advice:

pnms, i would advise you to wait to attend fraternity parties until after recruitment. if sorority members are at the parties, it can be ackward for you, since they cannot talk to you-but believe me, they will be watching how you are behaving yourself!! there will be plenty of parties to attend AFTER recruitment.

also, DO NOT listen to guys when they try to tell you which sorority to join. they have no clue how well the sisters get along with one another, and may actually not even know any of the members, but are just passing on info. they have heard. Would you let that guy tell you which fraternity guy to date, what you should eat for lunch in the cafeteria or what you should major in? then don't listen to their opinion on sororities!!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

not a myth, but some advice:

pnms, i would advise you to wait to attend fraternity parties until after recruitment. if sorority members are at the parties, it can be ackward for you, since they cannot talk to you-but believe me, they will be watching how you are behaving yourself!! there will be plenty of parties to attend AFTER recruitment.

also, DO NOT listen to guys when they try to tell you which sorority to join. they have no clue how well the sisters get along with one another, and may actually not even know any of the members, but are just passing on info. they have heard. Would you let that guy tell you which fraternity guy to date, what you should eat for lunch in the cafeteria or what you should major in? then don't listen to their opinion on sororities!!

Hahaha, this is good advice. I remember my brother's brothers (as in, the guys in my blood sibling's fraternity) telling me that ABC and DEF were the best sororities, even though those sororities would have nothing to do with them. The guys were really all dating XYZ's and MNO's, and I ended up liking the latter sororities much better.

[AOIIalum]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

not a myth, but some advice:

pnms, i would advise you to wait to attend fraternity parties until after recruitment. if sorority members are at the parties, it can be awkward for you, since they cannot talk to you-but believe me, they will be watching how you are behaving yourself!! there will be plenty of parties to attend AFTER recruitment.

also, DO NOT listen to guys when they try to tell you which sorority to join. they have no clue how well the sisters get along with one another, and may actually not even know any of the members, but are just passing on info. they have heard. Would you let that guy tell you which fraternity guy to date, what you should eat for lunch in the cafeteria or what you should major in? then don't listen to their opinion on sororities!!

Read these very wise words, commit them to memory, and re-visit them often.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

So if you weren't on ASA's bid list, you would have been just fine accepting COB from them the next day?

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but if you're trying to reference my earlier post about dirty rushing and saying that if a sorority is trying to get you to do things to get you as a quota addtion, instead of putting you on their first bid list, you should tell them to go jump...

I wouldn't have minded taking COB from ASA if I wasn't on their bid list, because at least they played fairly, and would have let me go somewhere else if I was on that other org's first bid list.

My point is (provided I fit with both orgs) I'd rather go to a GLO that had me 1st on their bidlist than one that snuck me in through QA or dirty rushing or where I was last on their bidlist.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but if you're trying to reference my earlier post about dirty rushing and saying that if a sorority is trying to get you to do things to get you as a quota addtion, instead of putting you on their first bid list, you should tell them to go jump...

I wouldn't have minded taking COB from ASA if I wasn't on their bid list, because at least they played fairly, and would have let me go somewhere else if I was on that other org's first bid list.

My point is (provided I fit with both orgs) I'd rather go to a GLO that had me 1st on their bidlist than one that snuck me in through QA or dirty rushing or where I was last on their bidlist.

Yeah, I am not sure I understand the difference. If ASA told you to do this, and then ranked you low intentionally, you would not accept a bid, but if you did it of your own accord, and they ranked you low because they didn't think you were a good fit, you would accept a bid?

[bruinaphi]

Carnation, good luck! I can't believe it's that time again.

Sorry to get on my soapbox in your new recruitment thread, but I think it's important to clear up the misinformation in the post by Alpha Frog.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Myth #4 - You should never, ever suicide.

If you get to that place, and you KNOW you will only be happy at ONE of the houses you preffed, and you KNOW in your heart of hearts that you will not be able to even give another house a fair shot, go ahead and suicide. Or, even better, if you have the option (we did), put your #1, and then a house that cut you Round 1, as you obviously won't be on their bid list. That way, you'll still have the option to accept a snap bid, or COR.

While Alpha Frog is correct that you should never ever list a house on your MRABA if you will not give them a fair shot, it is important to understand that listing a house where you did not attend preference does not meet the definition of maximizing your options as a PNM and I believe the current MRABA strictly precludes it as an option. This means that you will not be matched as a Quota Addition under the RFM (only maximizing PNMs are eligible to be QAs), though you would be eligible for snap bidding or COB (of course even those who ISC (also known as "suicide") and don't match are eligible for snap bidding or COB).

Also, just as an FYI, most campuses set up their recruitment management software options so that the software only shows the chapters attended for preference.

[SoCalGirl]

When I was in school I always found it interesting that guys would tell girls a myriad of reasons why they shouldn't pledge us but would also say that we were the chapter they would want their sister to join!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Here's another thing: when you get into situations like the ones bruinaphi is describing, your Rho Chi will NOT know the rules in many cases. I would guess that only about 2% of collegiate members fully undersand bid matching, the green book, and campus rules, and they are the presidents and rush chairs, not the rho chis. If you want to be sure you will be eligible for snap bids and COB, talk to your Greek Life office, or better yet, e-mail them so that you later have it in writing.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Here's another thing: when you get into situations like the ones bruinaphi is describing, your Rho Chi will NOT know the rules in many cases. I would guess that only about 2% of collegiate members fully undersand bid matching, the green book, and campus rules, and they are the presidents and rush chairs, not the rho chis. If you want to be sure you will be eligible for snap bids and COB, talk to your Greek Life office, or better yet, e-mail them so that you later have it in writing.

I wasn't a rho chi, so I don't know, but wouldn't that be part of their training? I would think it would be ultra-important for them to understand fully the implications of the advice they give.

[bruinaphi]

Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

I wasn't a rho chi, so I don't know, but wouldn't that be part of their training? I would think it would be ultra-important for them to understand fully the implications of the advice they give.

It depends upon the campus. A lot of Greek Advisors have taken rush counselors out of the picture for preference signing, which means you have to go to knowledgeable people to ask questions and there are not as many side issues. Training rush counselors can be challenging b/c many of them are women who do not like recruitment or who didn't have a positive recruitment experience themselves. I can think of a handful of campuses that have really great rush counselor programs, but most of those campuses do not use the rush counselors for preference signing.