Imus Still in Hot Water

[Conskeeted7]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Yeah, definitely - and while we're at it, we can leave poverty issues to the poor, hunger issues to the starving, etc. We're definitely not all in this together, when it comes to fighting off century-old stereotypes and embedded racial issues.

These issues are not comparable at all. I still cannot believe that white people cannot understand why the connotation when they use 'racial slang' is different than when used by people of the same race. Since apparently most white people are not willing to acknowledge that difference, evidenced by their continued attempts at incorporating it into their dialogues, the best solution for white people is to just leave that language alone. This is especially true since there's such a negative outcry when it's used. Why keep trying? Why worry about it? Why all of a sudden is white America so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other? I'm not buying the double standard crap. White people don't use that kind of language for any positive reason. Who are we really kidding here?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Conskeeted7

These issues are not comparable at all. I still cannot believe that white people cannot understand why the connotation when they use 'racial slang' is different than when used by people of the same race. Since apparently most white people are not willing to acknowledge that difference, evidenced by their continued attempts at incorporating it into their dialogues, the best solution for white people is to just leave that language alone. This is especially true since there's such a negative outcry when it's used. Why keep trying? Why worry about it? Why all of a sudden is white America so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other? I'm not buying the double standard crap. White people don't use that kind of language for any positive reason. Who are we really kidding here?

It is called going main stream.
I do not like, enjoy, or think very highly of the anti-women, the anti-cop, the anti-law, the pro-drug messages et al I see and hear in many of todays music. And who is making these songs????? And I am NOT talking per se about the music companies.
And where is the "good" Rev on this issue? Hummm.....

[delph998]

Imus got fired. The End.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Conskeeted7

I personally don't believe that many, if any at all, white adults can honestly say they do not know the difference between an offensive comment and one that is not. I think it's a total cop-out for any adults to say they should be allowed to use offensive language just because others may say it.

I believe that white people who use offensive language and then use rap/black people as a reason for it are just making excuses. Don't worry about why black people/females use that language. Just know that you can't. Leave that other issue for the black people to deal with. Since when did white people become so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other?

This 'double standard' talk is pure nonsense to me.

Then I never, ever want to hear the word honkey or camel jockey out of a black person's mouth ever again. And don't worry why they shouldn't use it. Let us white people and Arabs worry about it.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Then I never, ever want to hear the word honkey or camel jockey out of a black person's mouth ever again. And don't worry why they shouldn't use it. Let us white people and Arabs worry about it.

I agree with what you are saying. The funny thing is though....I really don't give a shit if it happens. If some random black guy wants to call me a honkey or a cracker....then so be it. Congratulations. I certainly can find better things to do than start a huge hoopla over it. Chances are the guy is some ghetto fabulous thug who I'll probably be paying to wash my car soon.

Smite me.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Then I never, ever want to hear the word honkey or camel jockey out of a black person's mouth ever again. And don't worry why they shouldn't use it. Let us white people and Arabs worry about it.

I agree with the bolded but that goes without saying for many people who think that some words are unnecessary in the first place.

Regarding the rest, nonwhites who used those words never wondered, or remotely cared about, why they shouldn't use it. If confronted with the inappropriateness of those words, they wouldn't use "well, THEY say it" as an excuse as many nonblacks tend to do with us. Instead those individuals would probably say they are paying whites back for years of oppression and/or don't give a damn and hope you choke on your hurt feelings.

Originally Posted by macallan25

The funny thing is though....I really don't give a shit if it happens. If some random black guy wants to call me a honkey or a cracker....then so be it. Congratulations. I certainly can find better things to do than start a huge hoopla over it.

Because those words don't have a history of oppression behind them. If whites were called those names while being denied service at restaurants, denied jobs or hanging from trees, you would probably feel differently or at least understand why other whites feel differently than you do.

I always found those words inappropriate but that's based on a general bigotry and humanity argument that has nothing to do with racism or discrimination. If whites want to call each other whatever, that's whites' business and doesn't mean I should do the same. The same logic applies to nonblacks trying to mock whatever they see or hear some blacks do or say to each other (I still say some things should be kept AMONGST each other, if kept at all).

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Conskeeted7

These issues are not comparable at all. I still cannot believe that white people cannot understand why the connotation when they use 'racial slang' is different than when used by people of the same race. Since apparently most white people are not willing to acknowledge that difference, evidenced by their continued attempts at incorporating it into their dialogues, the best solution for white people is to just leave that language alone. This is especially true since there's such a negative outcry when it's used. Why keep trying? Why worry about it? Why all of a sudden is white America so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other? I'm not buying the double standard crap. White people don't use that kind of language for any positive reason. Who are we really kidding here?

I agree, white people shouldn't use that language, any of it.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by Conskeeted7

Why all of a sudden is white America so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other?

Because it's the latest trend to excuse the racist tendencies of some white tv/radio personalities.

I'm glad that idiot is out of job.

[macallan25]

Imus = Sirius + multi-million $$ contract.

He isn't going to be out of a job for long.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Conskeeted7

Why all of a sudden is white America so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other? I'm not buying the double standard crap. White people don't use that kind of language for any positive reason. Who are we really kidding here?

I don't think any language of that sort is used in a positive way, unless calling your wife a ho is considered classy in the black community. I'm sorry, you can't own a word or stop just certain people from using a word, especially when it's everywhere around you, from music to movies, to overhearing it in the malls and even in school. You can't expect white people to forget that these words exist if blacks won't stop using these words as well.

[Conskeeted7]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't think any language of that sort is used in a positive way, unless calling your wife a ho is considered classy in the black community. I'm sorry, you can't own a word or stop just certain people from using a word, especially when it's everywhere around you, from music to movies, to overhearing it in the malls and even in school. You can't expect white people to forget that these words exist if blacks won't stop using these words as well.

I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to forget that this language exists. That alone, however, does not condone usage. I think those are two very different issues.

In the situations above (mall, movies, school, etc.), do you see White people using this language towards Blacks with a positive outcome? I never have. That is why I don't understand the need or desire to continue trying.

[AKA_Monet]

My boss often says folks can "say" what they want, look beyond that. What counts is their actions. But, my collegiate education said "word is bond" and "words are powerful, they are symbols of ideas" or "one word can change a persons life".

Again, we have GC racial stratification, which is an interesting outcome and concept here. No one really knows what one looks like except a few people around here. And most of us who decide to state what ethnic category we support (for today--that's a side issue). And we still are stratifying and not coming together toward working to change "processing errors".

Look, this cat, Imus, was thrown to the wolves. The reason he was, because MSNBC does not know how to get rid of him legally. He says something ignorant, then they have justification they need.

Yes, he'll probably get a Sirius show and make all the money we wants. So what really happen? Imus is not showing "remorse". He's doing the remorseful thing by speaking to the parents and the young ladies on the Rutgers team. But remorse? Remorseful for what he thought and said? No.

So why is a few stupid words and choice of language made this man take a media-public flogging?

C'mon, folks, this is a set up! Either he or MSNBC wanted out. That's the only way to explain it. Then he comes up looking redeemed so that "we" can us Jesus to view his salvation and forgiveness. Oldest trick in the book...

Am I upset he said it? Not really. It definitely does not pay my light bill.

Did he hurt these young ladies self-esteem? Maybe, because what he really was saying is they play like crap and he used mental images as to how.

But there is a deeper issue here and there has always, IMO, a denigration of women of African descent. And making ourselves look attractive even to our own men has been very difficult. Saying those words, "nappy headed ho", means on the street a woman who cannot take care of herself, usually a Black female prostitute who is on drugs.

And that is why the wolves were called out.

These bastketball players are not "black female prostitutes on drugs". They are all different kinds of backgrounds working very hard to go to college and play basketball. Now if they are not the BEST team, so be it. But, these young ladies did not deserve being called an implied definition of a "black female prostitute that is one drugs".

As far as rappers go, they have been told numerous times to be mindful of their "invocations". But that's another thread for a different day.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

My boss often says folks can "say" what they want, look beyond that. What counts is their actions. But, my collegiate education said "word is bond" and "words are powerful, they are symbols of ideas" or "one word can change a persons life".

Again, we have GC racial stratification, which is an interesting outcome and concept here. No one really knows what one looks like except a few people around here. And most of us who decide to state what ethnic category we support (for today--that's a side issue). And we still are stratifying and not coming together toward working to change "processing errors".

Look, this cat, Imus, was thrown to the wolves. The reason he was, because MSNBC does not know how to get rid of him legally. He says something ignorant, then they have justification they need.

Yes, he'll probably get a Sirius show and make all the money we wants. So what really happen? Imus is not showing "remorse". He's doing the remorseful thing by speaking to the parents and the young ladies on the Rutgers team. But remorse? Remorseful for what he thought and said? No.

So why is a few stupid words and choice of language made this man take a media-public flogging?

C'mon, folks, this is a set up! Either he or MSNBC wanted out. That's the only way to explain it. Then he comes up looking redeemed so that "we" can us Jesus to view his salvation and forgiveness. Oldest trick in the book...

Am I upset he said it? Not really. It definitely does not pay my light bill.

Did he hurt these young ladies self-esteem? Maybe, because what he really was saying is they play like crap and he used mental images as to how.

But there is a deeper issue here and there has always, IMO, a denigration of women of African descent. And making ourselves look attractive even to our own men has been very difficult. Saying those words, "nappy headed ho", means on the street a woman who cannot take care of herself, usually a Black female prostitute who is on drugs.

And that is why the wolves were called out.

These bastketball players are not "black female prostitutes on drugs". They are all different kinds of backgrounds working very hard to go to college and play basketball. Now if they are not the BEST team, so be it. But, these young ladies did not deserve being called an implied definition of a "black female prostitute that is one drugs".

As far as rappers go, they have been told numerous times to be mindful of their "invocations". But that's another thread for a different day.

Thank you very much for a great explanation!

If there are Blacks (Afro-Ameicans) who continually say these types of things then is it not expected for other races to pick up on it and use the same language?

If a Black Commedian such as Richard Pryor uses this type of word usage then why cannot others use it?

Some people do get over board about who can say certain words and who cannot!

The two biggest Black Morons are Jessie and Al!

They Preach forgiveness but they are the first to wade into a fight and embarras many Afro-Americans and they still give money to them!

Ask Jessie how much money He is giving a month for an of wedlock child? Maybe $8,500.00 a month! Where is He getting this money? Say Rainbow Coalition! Is that cool?

Now, where is the apology to the members of the Duke Lacross going to be coming from and when!

Oh, golly lets step over this and sweep it under the carpet!

It is not a one way street people it is a fact of life! DAH!

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Yes, he'll probably get a Sirius show and make all the money we wants. So what really happen? Imus is not showing "remorse". He's doing the remorseful thing by speaking to the parents and the young ladies on the Rutgers team. But remorse? Remorseful for what he thought and said? No.

Who are you to say he isn't showing remorse? The only person that is going to know if he truly is or not is him. For all that he has done since the incident, I'm interested to know why you feel you can consider him unremorseful for what he thought and said. I think he has made the effort. It's not like he pulled a Michael Richards and said he was "sorry and embarassed and blah blah blah" on Letterman.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Who are you to say he isn't showing remorse? The only person that is going to know if he truly is or not is him. For all that he has done since the incident, I'm interested to know why you feel you can consider him unremorseful for what he thought and said. I think he has made the effort. It's not like he pulled a Michael Richards and said he was "sorry and embarassed and blah blah blah" on Letterman.

He'll have to kill himself before some think there is any veracity to his "remorse".