Imus Still in Hot Water

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

Well considering that I (meaning Jubilance) don't like it when rappers do it, I (meaning Jubilance) don't have a double standard.

I'm not really directing this at you, just using your statement as an example.

The fact that a person doesn't like when rappers do it is a bit different from protesting when someone else does it. That could still be a double standard obviously. This isn't directed at you because a) I don't know if you're really protesting Imus and b) Maybe you do protest rap, but I think some people are quick to say "well its not ok for the hip hop community either", yet they're certainly not doing anything about it. I've seen several interviews with Jackson and Sharpton in recent days, and the rap question has been posed to them. Now, obviously I'm not that in touch with the happenings of the two, but I don't see them protesting and being outraged regarding rap music. Both have said that saying these controversial things aren't acceptable for black people either, but their actions don't reflect this (at least compared with their outrage over events like the Imus debacle).

I've really tried not to get into the double-standard debate because I don't think it wins arguments. Many times you're just conceding your position and saying "well, you do it too." However, I do think its a valid point to make (that there is a double-standard), its just not a way to win this argument.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

The fact that a person doesn't like when rappers do it is a bit different from protesting when someone else does it.

Where have some of you been for the past, almost 20 years? There's been a movement against "gangsta rap" and mysogyny in hip hop for years.

Many of the people who are voicing their opposition to Imus' comments have also been outspoken about other forms of racism and sexism in the media. That includes Al Sharpton.

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Where have some of you been for the past, almost 20 years? There's been a movement against "gangsta rap" and mysogyny in hip hop for years.

Many of the people who are voicing their opposition to Imus' comments have also been outspoken about other forms of racism and sexism in the media. That includes Al Sharpton.

---->we are here<------ It's wrong no matter who says it.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Where have some of you been for the past, almost 20 years? There's been a movement against "gangsta rap" and mysogyny in hip hop for years.

Many of the people who are voicing their opposition to Imus' comments have also been outspoken about other forms of racism and sexism in the media. That includes Al Sharpton.

Al Sharpton speaks out a lot of things. However, when a racist speaks out against racism, people might not listen. Thats a different topic though.

My point was that these black "leaders" if you want to call them that, don't have the fervor regarding rap and actions in the black community that they have when it comes to incidents like this. To say they do is simply untrue.

Where are they now regarding the Duke case? If they've said anything, I sure haven't heard it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Al Sharpton speaks out a lot of things.

That's what civil rights activists do.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

don't have the fervor regarding rap that they have when it comes to incidents like this. To say they do is simply untrue.

Again, I don't know where you've been the past decade or more. He and other outspoken people for social equality have a lot of fervor regarding rap music. Just because you haven't read or heard about it personally means nothing.

ETA: Al Sharpton works with the Hip Hop Summit regarding negative images in hip hop and the recent violence involving G-Unit member Tony Yayo. He was also criticized for writing to the FCC about violence in rap in 2005.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That's what civil rights activists do.



Again, I don't know where you've been the past decade or more. He and other outspoken people for social equality have a lot of fervor regarding rap music. Just because you haven't read or heard about it personally means nothing.

And just because you say him and others have gone after rap music with the same fervor personally means nothing.

I've seen Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson both dodge or hesitate to condemn this sort of thing in rap music. I don't know where you've been for the past 3 days.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

And just because you say him and others have gone after rap music with the same fervor personally means nothing.

I've seen Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson both dodge or hesitate to condemn this sort of thing in rap music. I don't know where you've been for the past 3 days.

Well Al Sharpton's stance on hip hop is out there. I guess that's a figment of our imaginations and means nothing, too.

I commend Sharpton and Jackson for not allowing people to interrogate them and turn this issue around. Imus' apology means that he knew he was wrong or at least cared enough to pretend that he was wrong. If it was all about "rappers can say it, what's the big deal" then he shouldn't have apologized and instead told the complainers to choke on it.

In the end, MSNBC and the corporate sponsors have spoken. I really liked Imus at first and was blowing this whole thing off. But now I'm seeing the issue for what it really is and calling a spade a spade.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well Al Sharpton's stance on hip hop is out there. I guess that's a figment of our imaginations and means nothing, too.

I commend Sharpton and Jackson for not allowing people to interrogate them and turn this issue around. Imus' apology means that he knew he was wrong or at least cared enough to pretend that he was wrong. If it was all about "rappers can say it, what's the big deal" then he shouldn't have apologized and instead told the complainers to choke on it.

In the end, MSNBC and the corporate sponsors have spoken. I really liked Imus at first and was blowing this whole thing off. But now I'm seeing the issue for what it really is and calling a spade a spade.

Answering questions about your own hypocrisy isn't the same as allowing someone else to turn the situation around.

It seems accountability only applies to some. That being said, I'm going to leave the double standard issue alone.

[ann.coulter2]

Imus should apologize to the Rutgers women — and those women alone — send them flowers, and stop kissing Al Sharpton's ring.

This wasn't an insult to all mankind, and certainly not an insult to Al Sharpton. Now, if Imus had called the basketball players "fat, race-baiting black men with clownish hairstyles," well, then perhaps Sharpton would be owed an apology.

more of this week's column in the LAU forum.

Lambda Alpha Upsilon

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ann.coulter2

Imus should apologize to the Rutgers women — and those women alone — send them flowers, and stop kissing Al Sharpton's ring.

This wasn't an insult to all mankind, and certainly not an insult to Al Sharpton. Now, if Imus had called the basketball players "fat, race-baiting black men with clownish hairstyles," well, then perhaps Sharpton would be owed an apology.

more of this week's column in the LAU forum.

Lambda Alpha Upsilon

Dale, when did you join Lambda Alpha Upsilon?

If you aren't a member, it's really really offensive to sign your posts with their letters.

But back to the topic - I fell asleep w/ MSNBC on and woke up to "Breaking News: Imus Out" over and over.

I guess it would actually matter if MSNBC was actually watched by, um, people that aren't asleep.