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sigmadiva · #1 03-17-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PhrozenGenius

PLEDGING and HAZING are two different things. In the realm of the NPHC, as far as our National Headquarters is concerned, both are illegal. Point blank. Period. Anything said on a message board about a pledge process and/or being hazed constitutes an admission of guilt (even if it is anonymous) as well as a COMPLETE lack of D-I-S-C-R-E-T-I-O-N.

I agree with everything in your post. But, I would like to point out that there is a timeline at play here. The NPHC MIP was put into place ~1990 / 1991. There are many of us on this board who came through our respective orgs long before that. I was initiated in 1988 when pledging and hazing were very much the accepted norm in NPHC orgs. I said this to say that if someone asks me about my process, or about the NPHC process in general before 1990, then I will tell them how it was - pledging and hazing and all. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see that as an admission of guilt - I may not like it and agree with it, but if that is how things happened, then I am going to talk about it.

Now, if someone comes on here talking about how they were pledged / hazed *after* NPHC MIP was put into place then I think your above statement is very much correct.

Senusret I · #2 03-17-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I agree with everything in your post. But, I would like to point out that there is a timeline at play here. The NPHC MIP was put into place ~1990 / 1991. There are many of us on this board who came through our respective orgs long before that. I was initiated in 1988 when pledging and hazing were very much the accepted norm in NPHC orgs. I said this to say that if someone asks me about my process, or about the NPHC process in general before 1990, then I will tell them how it was - pledging and hazing and all. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see that as an admission of guilt - I may not like it and agree with it, but if that is how things happened, then I am going to talk about it.

Now, if someone comes on here talking about how they were pledged / hazed *after* NPHC MIP was put into place then I think your above statement is very much correct.

But hazing was illegal before 1990, too. If people before 1990 are bragging about getting hit, eating frat/sorority food, etc, I think there's still a problem. But if someone before 1990 is talking about line names, public greetings, line numbers, etc, that's different.

I do understand both sides though, but as ladygreek would say, even "aboveground" had an "underground."

AKA_Monet · #3 03-17-2007, 07:56 PM

OneLovve:

I found the most illustrious Sorority for you!!!

This chapter PLEDGES with some hazing...

But I'm sorry, they wear these cute orange jumpsuits and little jelly plastic sandals. Your line sister--brother for the day will be Bubba and you will get a daily beatdown from the opposing group, The Aryan Brotherhood/Sisterhood. They have an isolation chamber--I mean, meditation room. And at your chapter house, you have to share with several other criminals, errr, inmate, I mean chapter members.

I can dial for your central booking--a-hem, full of paper made intake process and you will be a full member for within ~24 hours+...

It's at the University of Hard Knocks. They have ~50 chapters in every state! And you get to interact with legal council in a jar...

Good luck with your application. You don't need a GPA or units!!!

This is so exciting to me!!!

Jody · #4 03-17-2007, 08:12 PM

"I will say is I'm not a Neo"

1911, not being a neo isn't relative (IMHO). One could be a member for YEARS and still be a neophyte.

(double negatives, YIKES). I helped an undergraduate chapter charter. Those ladies WORKED HARD but they didn't have a traditional pledge period, I would challenge anyone who told them they didn't EARN those letters.

I guess I'm just a little confused (it could be that I've not interpreted your posts correctly) by your posts. After 1990, no NPHC organization had a "pledge" period, and those that "cheated" certainly wouldn't get in an open forum and proudly proclaim that they violated their organizations bylaws.

DST4A00 · #5 03-20-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

OneLovve:

I found the most illustrious Sorority for you!!!

This chapter PLEDGES with some hazing...

But I'm sorry, they wear these cute orange jumpsuits and little jelly plastic sandals. Your line sister--brother for the day will be Bubba and you will get a daily beatdown from the opposing group, The Aryan Brotherhood/Sisterhood. They have an isolation chamber--I mean, meditation room. And at your chapter house, you have to share with several other criminals, errr, inmate, I mean chapter members.

I can dial for your central booking--a-hem, full of paper made intake process and you will be a full member for within ~24 hours+...

It's at the University of Hard Knocks. They have ~50 chapters in every state! And you get to interact with legal council in a jar...

Good luck with your application. You don't need a GPA or units!!!

This is so exciting to me!!!

Line# 1223574

AKA_Monet · #6 03-20-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DST4A00

Line# 1223574

Cell Block "Death Row Inmates".

There's a difference between an inmate and a convict...

Akception · #7 03-20-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DST4A00

Line# 1223574

Sorority call: "Help!"

preciousjeni · #8 03-20-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Akception

Sorority call: "Help!"

LOL!

sigmadiva · #9 03-17-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

But hazing was illegal before 1990, too. If people before 1990 are bragging about getting hit, eating frat/sorority food, etc, I think there's still a problem.

True. I said that one may not have agreed with what went on during the 'pre-MIP' NPHC era, but if it happened, it happened. We can not go back and change the past.

I have an uncle who is an Omega who crossed in the late 60's and he is *very* proud of the fact that when he was given 'wood' the board broke on his butt. He still brags about it to this day. There was a time that he had the board displayed on the matle of his fireplace and when guests would come over he would proudly tell them the story. Was that type of hazing illegal then? I'm sure it was. But the point is that it was still openly accepted and those who experienced that form of pledging are going to discuss it.

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But if someone before 1990 is talking about line names, public greetings, line numbers, etc, that's different.

Depends on who you talk to. Some people also consider this a form of hazing.