Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Get used to it. You throw your hat in the ring and the gloves will come off.

Spoken like a true member of your ilk...let's not asses Obama's capabilities to become President on his viewpoints or the issues at hand but whether or not the fact that he smokes means he's as deceptive as some of his unethical Republican peers.

I guess this means that the fact that Bush believes God wanted him to win the elections he stole means that he's our divine leader and not a bumbling fool and a lunatic

Incidently I watched about 2 minutes of BET's 2006 recap and they made jokingly referenced the possibility of Obama being shot if he actually got close to becoming president. This thought never crossed my mind until I saw this snippet...I wonder if this is likely in 2008.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

Spoken like a true member of your ilk...let's not asses Obama's capabilities to become President on his viewpoints or the issues at hand but whether or not the fact that he smokes means he's as deceptive as some of his unethical Republican peers.

Its funny about the double standard that Dems are held to as opposed to the GOP. To this day, I don't see how getting some head in the oval office is more serious than sending thousands of young men and women to their deaths to advance a corporate and personal agenda. Maybe Shinerbock has the answer to this???

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I guess this means that the fact that Bush believes God wanted him to win the elections he stole means that he's our divine leader and not a bumbling fool and a lunatic

^5

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

Incidently I watched about 2 minutes of BET's 2006 recap and they made jokingly referenced the possibility of Obama being shot if he actually got close to becoming president. This thought never crossed my mind until I saw this snippet...I wonder if this is likely in 2008.

Girl, didn't you see Head of State

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Its funny about the double standard that Dems are held to as opposed to the GOP. To this day, I don't see how getting some head in the oval office is more serious than sending thousands of young men and women to their deaths to advance a corporate and personal agenda. Maybe Shinerbock has the answer to this???



^5



Girl, didn't you see Head of State

You must have missed the part where the Democrats voted for the war. From reading your post, this doesn't surprise me. You don't really seem like the kind of person who is really keyed into what happens in the world of government. Why would you be? After all, you could just do what you're doing now, regurgitating talking points regarding things you know nothing about. Yeah, thats a much simpler alternative.

[shinerbock]

Summer, Hillary is going towards the middle because its the only way she can win the general, and currently she has a long way to go. If Obama stays in, she'll probably move back to the left somewhat in an attempt to win the primary, but after that its back to the middle. Hillary/Obama is a dumb ticket for Obama. Hillary will need a lot of help to win, and by help I mean the GOP candidate doing something pretty stupid. Why would Obama want to be a part of a losing ticket? When you become a VP candidate, you end up going to bat for the Presidential candidate (See: John Edwards). Obama has a similar reputation pre-election to what Edwards had, by being a unifying figure, an optimist, etc...Theres absolutely no reason to get into the mud for what will likely be a losing cause.

[Honeykiss1974]

I think Firecracker08 (not that I'm speaking for you ) likes Edwards/Obama because they both are appealing to wide variety of a voting audience. Let's face it...2008 will be more than just your average Dem vs Rep race. A successful candidate will HAVE to be able to appeal to the majority of their party and a good portion of their opposing party.

This is one main reason why I think Hillary can hang it up. She is NOT appealing to the Republican party - not even to moderate Republicans. So even if the Dems used the Iraq war/deaths to play on the heartstrings of America in a "republicans are evil vote for us" sort of way, it still won't be enough. You have got to have crossover appeal plain and simple.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974

I think Firecracker08 (not that I'm speaking for you ) likes Edwards/Obama because they both are appealing to wide variety of a voting audience. Let's face it...2008 will be more than just your average Dem vs Rep race. A successful candidate will HAVE to be able to appeal to the majority of their party and a good portion of their opposing party.

This is one main reason why I think Hillary can hang it up. She is NOT appealing to the Republican party - not even to moderate Republicans. So even if the Dems used the Iraq war/deaths to play on the heartstrings of America in a "republicans are evil vote for us" sort of way, it still won't be enough. You have got to have crossover appeal plain and simple.

I fully agree with this post- if the Democrats actually put up Hillary Clinton for election it would be ridiculous. She is a hugely divisive figure. Not that theyw ouldn't, seeing as how their strategy int he past few years has been sorely lacking, but damn that would be dumb.

As to Edwards being too green, that is probably true, and completely sad. If there is one issue that we should all be taking to heart, regardless of race or class it's what is being done to our planet and the need for conservation to step it up. It won't matter if abortion is ever banned or not if there is no sustainable environment for those children to grow up in.

[shinerbock]

Edwards was golden pre-Kerry. I think Bayh/Obama could be good, but theres absolutely zero chance the Dems let Evan win the primary.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You must have missed the part where the Democrats voted for the war. From reading your post, this doesn't surprise me. You don't really seem like the kind of person who is really keyed into what happens in the world of government. Why would you be? After all, you could just do what you're doing now, regurgitating talking points regarding things you know nothing about. Yeah, thats a much simpler alternative.

I guess you missed the part where the White House AND the Congress were controlled by the GOP over the last 6 years. Hopefully there is more of a check and balance now.

As far as the kind of person I am, you will never know. I don't put myself out on Front St like some people....


BTW, I guess my insight into the fact that WMD never existed in Iraq the minute the words left GWB's mouth makes me out of tune with the world. Considering I was right on the money....

[shinerbock]

Mccoy, the GOP did control, but that has zero relevance when talking about how democrats also supported the war.

WMD existed in Iraq. Fact. Ask the Kurds.

[BlessedOne04]

I personally cannot wait until Barak announces what he is going to do. I may have to make a trip to Springfield to see that for myself!

[Lady of Pearl]

I am pleased to see Obama running and already the onslaughts and naysayers have come to the forefront, if not him to win the Presidency then at least a DEMOCRAT.We have had enough of the Republican agenda with its uncaring economic and international policies, and the atrocities of soldiers being killed in Iraq.

[AKA2D '91]

Democratic Presidential Forum: June 28, 2007
Howard University
Televised: PBS


http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....americandebate

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

Democratic Presidential Forum: June 28, 2007
Howard University
Televised: PBS


http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....americandebate

Oh wow, I may have to make a trip down to the Alma Mater for that!

[AKA2D '91]

Uhhh, I forgot. 3o minutes to go, on PBS.


If I wasn't on vacation, I could have reminded those interested. I'm SURE Tavis discussed this on TJMS. I haven't listened to AM talk in nearly a month.

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by Sugar08

Oh wow, I may have to make a trip down to the Alma Mater for that!

I was there for the Obama rally, which was great. He stopped by and talked with the supporters. I saw Marc Morial while I was walking back to my car. He is so sexy in person.