Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[shinerbock]

Dangerous to what YOU believe.

It isn't fear, its faith. Its what they believe, not merely some way to make money.

[Conskeeted7]

Did anyone else see the Fox News segment talking about Obama? Basically, they spread the word that he is a smoker and has been hiding it from the public. Since he has been hiding that, they decided to talk about what other things he could be hiding from the voting public, such as his real views on current issues.

[shinerbock]

Get used to it. You throw your hat in the ring and the gloves will come off.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Get used to it. You throw your hat in the ring and the gloves will come off.

Spoken like a true member of your ilk...let's not asses Obama's capabilities to become President on his viewpoints or the issues at hand but whether or not the fact that he smokes means he's as deceptive as some of his unethical Republican peers.

I guess this means that the fact that Bush believes God wanted him to win the elections he stole means that he's our divine leader and not a bumbling fool and a lunatic

Incidently I watched about 2 minutes of BET's 2006 recap and they made jokingly referenced the possibility of Obama being shot if he actually got close to becoming president. This thought never crossed my mind until I saw this snippet...I wonder if this is likely in 2008.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

Spoken like a true member of your ilk...let's not asses Obama's capabilities to become President on his viewpoints or the issues at hand but whether or not the fact that he smokes means he's as deceptive as some of his unethical Republican peers.

Its funny about the double standard that Dems are held to as opposed to the GOP. To this day, I don't see how getting some head in the oval office is more serious than sending thousands of young men and women to their deaths to advance a corporate and personal agenda. Maybe Shinerbock has the answer to this???

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I guess this means that the fact that Bush believes God wanted him to win the elections he stole means that he's our divine leader and not a bumbling fool and a lunatic

^5

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

Incidently I watched about 2 minutes of BET's 2006 recap and they made jokingly referenced the possibility of Obama being shot if he actually got close to becoming president. This thought never crossed my mind until I saw this snippet...I wonder if this is likely in 2008.

Girl, didn't you see Head of State

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Its funny about the double standard that Dems are held to as opposed to the GOP. To this day, I don't see how getting some head in the oval office is more serious than sending thousands of young men and women to their deaths to advance a corporate and personal agenda. Maybe Shinerbock has the answer to this???



^5



Girl, didn't you see Head of State

You must have missed the part where the Democrats voted for the war. From reading your post, this doesn't surprise me. You don't really seem like the kind of person who is really keyed into what happens in the world of government. Why would you be? After all, you could just do what you're doing now, regurgitating talking points regarding things you know nothing about. Yeah, thats a much simpler alternative.

[shinerbock]

Summer, Hillary is going towards the middle because its the only way she can win the general, and currently she has a long way to go. If Obama stays in, she'll probably move back to the left somewhat in an attempt to win the primary, but after that its back to the middle. Hillary/Obama is a dumb ticket for Obama. Hillary will need a lot of help to win, and by help I mean the GOP candidate doing something pretty stupid. Why would Obama want to be a part of a losing ticket? When you become a VP candidate, you end up going to bat for the Presidential candidate (See: John Edwards). Obama has a similar reputation pre-election to what Edwards had, by being a unifying figure, an optimist, etc...Theres absolutely no reason to get into the mud for what will likely be a losing cause.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You must have missed the part where the Democrats voted for the war. From reading your post, this doesn't surprise me. You don't really seem like the kind of person who is really keyed into what happens in the world of government. Why would you be? After all, you could just do what you're doing now, regurgitating talking points regarding things you know nothing about. Yeah, thats a much simpler alternative.

I guess you missed the part where the White House AND the Congress were controlled by the GOP over the last 6 years. Hopefully there is more of a check and balance now.

As far as the kind of person I am, you will never know. I don't put myself out on Front St like some people....


BTW, I guess my insight into the fact that WMD never existed in Iraq the minute the words left GWB's mouth makes me out of tune with the world. Considering I was right on the money....

[shinerbock]

That may be the least intelligent post I've read on this board.

Of my ilk...lets discuss shall we? This is coming from a supporter (assuming) of the party that tried incredibly hard to paint President Bush as an alcoholic and cocaine addict. From the same group who voted to go to war, and now calls the President an idiot for doing so. The same group who accused basically everyone in the GOP of conspiring with Mark Foley, while celebrating Gerry Stubbs. The same group that called the President a racist when Katrina relief didn't go as they'd hoped, though mostly ignoring the complete failure of the city's black mayor.

I'm sure everyone sees the correlation between Fox going after Obama's habits and his imminent assassination. Thankfully we have people like you who pay attention to legitimate news outlets like BET and report back to us regarding the brilliant insights they offer.

Welcome to politics, obviously the subject is new to you.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

This is coming from a supporter (assuming) of the party that tried incredibly hard to paint President Bush as an alcoholic and cocaine addict.

Spare me...Bush probably was drunk and a cocaine addict, but I could really care less...This coming from a supporter (not assuming just sure) of the party that tried to impeach Former President Clinton for having a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Unlike a cocaine addiction, adultery (to my knowledge) does not impede one's capabilities of performing as President. In fact, if it did Jefferson, JFK, and a whole host of other presidents would have been out on there azzes.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

From the same group who voted to go to war, and now calls the President an idiot for doing so.

Yes, the Democrats voted to go to war because they were fed lies by the President and his sycophants in the CIA and in other parts of the government. An unfounded correlation was painted between 9/11 and Iraq; unfortunately, Democrats foolishly gave in to that idiot, and he is an idiot, under the threat of Weapons of Mass Destruction (as if we should be the only country allowed to have these weapons).

Originally Posted by shinerbock

The same group that called the President a racist when Katrina relief didn't go as they'd hoped, though mostly ignoring the complete failure of the city's black mayor.

Let's go to school (speaking slowly): FEMA is an acronym that stands for Federal Emergency Management Agency. I choose to place the majority of the blame where it's warranted.

I'm not sure that the President is a racist, though it wouldn't surprise me if he were. In fact, I would prefer it if he were racist because then I'd know that he isn't the incompetent President I believe him to be; that old women and children died after Hurricane Katrina's wake because he doesn't care about Black people and not because he didn't know what the hell to do or because he appointed the head of the Arabian Horse Association to manage national emergencies.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm sure everyone sees the correlation between Fox going after Obama's habits and his imminent assassination.

I'm sure you were the kid in kindergarten who couldn't color in the lines. I stated nor did I imply any correlation between Obama's habits and his imminent assassination. I also did not state nor imply that I was looking for news on BET...Did not I state that I glimpsed a 2006 recap in which individuals were making jokes?

If you have anything further to say (and I am sure you will) I will not respond. I have argued with a fool for long enough and pretty soon people will not be able to tell the difference.

[shinerbock]

You're already preempting by saying you won't respond? Given the complete lack of knowledge you possess regarding the subject matter, I would say that is a pretty wise decision.

1) The Coke- Obama has his own issues with this. I fail to see how the possibility of Bush using cocaine at some point in his life prior to him becoming President (or governor), impedes his ability to govern. Clinton was impeached because he broke the law.

2) Democrats were somehow used by the Bush administration...many liberals such as yourself use this, and it gets more hilarious each time. You're telling me people on the Senate Intelligence Comm were misled by the President? Even though they had the same access? Oh right, the CIA lied. I guess thats why most of the world came to the same conclusion, that Iraq had WMD. Even to this day, most rational people acknowledge that at some point WMD existed in Iraq. The intelligence lapse was losing track of what happened to them.

3) The simple fact that you're even trying to make fun of me is incredible. Yes, I'm well aware of what FEMA stands for. What you're obviously unaware of is how disaster relief works. Who responds first? THATS RIGHT! Its the local authorities and the state. Thats how it works, neat system huh? So yeah, when the Mayor doesn't order the evacuation until it is too late, thats a problem. FEMA obviously has problems, but then again we've never dealt with anything like that.

With that, good day.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Dangerous to what YOU believe.

It isn't fear, its faith. Its what they believe, not merely some way to make money.

I am pretty sceptical about public figures promoting a religious agenda. I think 99% of them are in it for fame and glory and spreading the word of God is a DISTANT second. I wouldn't care if they were Hindu, Muslim, or Unitarian, I just think that people who really want to promote their beliefs do it day-to-day, not on tv or in the media.

[shinerbock]

Its perfectly fine to be skeptical of such people. However, I think anyone who was really aware of how Dobson is would have a tough time attaching such a description to him.

[pinkies up]

Do any of you think Obama and Clinton could be on the same ticket?

[SummerChild]

Soror, I actually think that this is the GOAL. I think that they are just going about it in a round about kind of way so that no one thinks that that is what they are trying to do. I think that by both tossing their hat in the ring for *President,* the public begins to check *both* of them out...their voting records, etc. That, to me, makes for a more powerful ticket b/c then people like the Pres and the VP candidate (when one drops into that VP slot). Otherwise, who ever really takes the time to truly investigate the VP candidate? There is so little attention placed on the VP candidate that it's ridiculous as they (as was Former President Gerald Ford, RIP) could very well become President.

I think that this is the strategy.

Now, as to whether they could be Pres and VP, not sure what I think about that. Hillary, I like for feminist reasons but she is such a middle of the road politician that you never can really tell what you are getting with her. She thinks she's being cute (and smart) by playing the middle ground but I wouldn't risk my vote for President on someone that played the middle ground (unless I didn't have any other choices) - b/c I wouldn't know what to expect from her.

Originally Posted by pinkies up

Do any of you think Obama and Clinton could be on the same ticket?