Racial Conflict

FSUZeta · #1 11-17-2006, 09:31 AM

i am in no way a cheerleader for pi kappa alpha at fsu, however, you are gravely mistaken when you say that pike is not a top chapter at fsu. they have the athletes, the movers and shakers, the faces, have the most members, have the alumni support, the largest house, have the largest pledge class,etc. i believe that they won a top award at the fraternity's most recent convention. in my estimation, that qualifies them as a top chapter.

macallan25 · #2 11-17-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

i am in no way a cheerleader for pi kappa alpha at fsu, however, you are gravely mistaken when you say that pike is not a top chapter at fsu. they have the athletes, the movers and shakers, the faces, have the most members, have the alumni support, the largest house, have the largest pledge class,etc. i believe that they won a top award at the fraternity's most recent convention. in my estimation, that qualifies them as a top chapter.

Having the most pledges, or the biggest house doesn't make you a top chapter on a campus in any way....and winning awards from your Nationals doesn't either.

PeppyGPhiB · #3 11-17-2006, 03:40 PM

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Having the most pledges...doesn't make you a top chapter on a campus in any way...

I think this is arguable. Sorry, but bad chapters don't usually get large pledge classes, let alone the biggest on campus. I think your take on this example demonstrates that "top" is very subjective.

FSUZeta · #4 11-17-2006, 03:44 PM

would you please list what criteria determines a campus as classically southern?

shinerbock · #5 11-17-2006, 03:45 PM

Well, Mac, what we would consider the top chapters on campus are probably a little different from what some people on here would like. We should probably tone it down, or else they might want to infiltrate whats left of classic southern collegiate life.

shinerbock · #6 11-17-2006, 03:49 PM

FSU: History, tradition, well dressed, well mannered students...filled with students from conservative "old money" families...values such as patriotism, faith, family...a general lack of vodka and prevalence of bourbon...substantially less hair gel and import cars than the rest of the nation...pearl-wearing girls...I'm sure theres more.

macallan25 · #7 11-17-2006, 05:17 PM

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I think this is arguable. Sorry, but bad chapters don't usually get large pledge classes, let alone the biggest on campus. I think your take on this example demonstrates that "top" is very subjective.

Yeah, bad chapters often do get huge pledge classes.....for the sake of increasing their numbers. This is called a blanket bid.....where they give everyone a bid that walks through their door. We usually have a very good idea about what guys we are taking way before formal rush even starts. Go to any top house in the South and I would bet you a good amount of money they already know who they are taking during the summer before the start of the year. Obviously some guys will come through during rush that are taken (out of state guys and such), but for the most part......it is already decided.

PeppyGPhiB · #8 11-17-2006, 05:41 PM

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Yeah, bad chapters often do get huge pledge classes.....for the sake of increasing their numbers. This is called a blanket bid.....where they give everyone a bid that walks through their door.

OK, I'll concede that this does happen with fraternities where numbers may be an issue, but what about large(r) chapters?

I was also directing my comments at sororities, which do not usually end up with large pledge classes after formal rush if they're a weak chapter. They may COB later, but the biggest pledge class on campus is not the hallmark of a bad chapter.

Elephant Walk · #9 11-17-2006, 05:46 PM

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I was also directing my comments at sororities, which do not usually end up with large pledge classes after formal rush if they're a weak chapter. They may COB later, but the biggest pledge class on campus is not the hallmark of a bad chapter.

Yes it usually is. It's a sign of the weakest chapter. Pike, here gave out like 45-50 bids. Probably along with the other top sized pledge classes. It's too bad they took all the guys no one wanted. I looked at their new pledge list, and it contained 30 people we had cut the first night because they were going to be bad pledges, and were mostly from plano, which is the worst.

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and elephant walk, arkansas does matter?

Not as much fraternity-wise as Auburn, Ole Miss, Georgia, Alabama, LSU and Texas, but more than the rest. We consistently have strong chapters which have good sized pledge classes with quite a bit of money. There is a bit of history here with long-standing chapters.

As to tradition and the history of chapters, it is usually the rule to be on campus longer is better, however one can look at Phi Gam at Alabama, who has been on the campus forever and is not all that great.

FSUZeta · #10 11-17-2006, 05:57 PM

macallen and elephant walk,

would you please tell us what constitutes a top fraternity on your campus?

PeppyGPhiB · #11 11-17-2006, 06:09 PM

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Yes it usually is. It's a sign of the weakest chapter. Pike, here gave out like 45-50 bids. Probably along with the other top sized pledge classes. It's too bad they took all the guys no one wanted. I looked at their new pledge list, and it contained 30 people we had cut the first night because they were going to be bad pledges, and were mostly from plano, which is the worst.

I'm not sure why you posted this in response to my comment about sorority pledge classes. I conceded your point about fraternity pledge classes when numbers are an issue. This is not the case with sororities during NPC formal recruitment, where the biggest pledge class is usually indicative of a strong house.