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11-02-2006, 11:23 PM
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11-02-2006, 11:32 PM
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I'm certainly not passing judgement on the truth or lack of same on the allegation, but the timing has to make it a little suspect with the items on next weeks ballot.
Another case of "He said, he said."
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11-02-2006, 11:42 PM
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Yeah, the guy accusing him refuses to turn over the evidence he has...a little sketchy. That being said, I hate these pompous "evangelical leaders" who represent very little of American evangelical Christians
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11-03-2006, 01:30 AM
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Why would he resign if the allegations are false?
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11-03-2006, 01:33 AM
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Because he probably realizes that despite the truth of the matter, he won't be able to effectively lead the church.
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11-03-2006, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock
Yeah, the guy accusing him refuses to turn over the evidence he has...a little sketchy. That being said, I hate these pompous "evangelical leaders" who represent very little of American evangelical Christians
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As an update, the accuser turned over some voice mail recordings to KUSA-TV who hired a nationally known voice analysis expert who was supposed to release his findings by this evening, and the early findings seem to support the charges. This guy, although in Denver, has been used in several very high profile cases as an expert.
More as it becomes available.
It does seem like the timing may be part of a personal agenda, though.
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11-03-2006, 01:47 AM
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Here's the update:
http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?O...181LX9ARbPg%3D
The nationally recognized voice recognition expert believes the Haggard DID contact accusor in the case.
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11-03-2006, 01:53 AM
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I wouldnt be surprised if it was him. I just hate when people act like these people represent conservatives, or even evangelical Christians. Believe it or not, most Southern Baptists don't like Jerry Falwell, and don't condone bombing abortion clinics. The media and others have done a good job equating "evangelical" with "fundamentalist" (in the radical sense). A more realistic portrayal of a evangelical leader, and one who is more conservative than the average evangelical Christian, is Dr. James Dobson.
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11-03-2006, 11:00 AM
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The media and others have done a good job equating "evangelical" with "fundamentalist" (in the radical sense).
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The public in general (and many Christians, for that matter), have forgotten what fundamentalism originally meant, I think. It's another word that has become so amorphous, and sometimes coded, that one has to be careful with it.
Of course, a similar observation could be made about "evangelical," which originally simply meant Protestant, especially Lutheran Protestants as opposed to Reformed (Calvinist) Protestants or Anabaptists.
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A more realistic portrayal of a evangelical leader, and one who is more conservative than the average evangelical Christian, is Dr. James Dobson.
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Though I wouldn't be classified as an "evangelical Christian" as that term is usually used (and as I understand you to be using it), I think you're right.
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11-03-2006, 12:31 PM
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I wouldnt be surprised if it was him. I just hate when people act like these people represent conservatives, or even evangelical Christians. Believe it or not, most Southern Baptists don't like Jerry Falwell, and don't condone bombing abortion clinics. The media and others have done a good job equating "evangelical" with "fundamentalist" (in the radical sense). A more realistic portrayal of a evangelical leader, and one who is more conservative than the average evangelical Christian, is Dr. James Dobson.
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The biggest problem is, these people (Falwell, Dobson, Haggard, et al.) say that they represent the Christian conservatives. And very few people stand up to them to say "No, you don't." So, when they get caught doing something hypocritical, it ends up making all evangelicals and fundamentalists look bad.
And, not to harp on you, but your earlier comment: "Despite the truth of the matter, he won't be able to effectively lead the church." I believe going back to my Bible studies, the big JC led his group pretty effectively when he was being accused of all kinds of things. I think if I were a preacher, falsely accused of something, I would go to the "WWJD" question and follow his lead.
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11-03-2006, 02:22 PM
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