Theta Chi at Duke Going Local

33girl · #1 10-18-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by g41965

DU at Dartmouth became Foley House, Theta Chi at Dartmouth became Alpha Theta, etc. not every national fraternity chapter in New England went local but many did.

I think they went local for significantly different reasons than this chapter - if I'm not mistaken Alpha Theta became coed. I don't think that's what is happening here.

g41965 · #2 10-18-2006, 04:53 PM

Alpha Theta broke in 1951 with Theta Chi over racial policies they went coed in 1972 went Dartmouth went coed. My point is that on smaller elite campuses the local chapters simply don't feel as much need to be part of a general fraternity as much as chapters in the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 do.

Tom Earp · #3 10-18-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by g41965

Alpha Theta broke in 1951 with Theta Chi over racial policies they went coed in 1972 went Dartmouth went coed. My point is that on smaller elite campuses the local chapters simply don't feel as much need to be part of a general fraternity as much as chapters in the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 do.

Sorry but I have to disagree with this.

Yes, small (?) State Universitys or Religious Affiliated schools out side of the ones you mentioned do feel that being a member of a National is important.

All of My GLOs at My Alma Mater have House buildings. William Jewell being/was a religious affiliated are going to build Sorority Houses.

I am not sure where your logic is to this?

Are only the ones you mentioned worthy of GLOs?

Elephant Walk · #4 10-18-2006, 06:44 PM

I agree, but when a national GLO in SEC/Big 12 schools leaves nationals because of their rules, they gain much more respect in the SEC I would think. This has not happen recently to my knowledge but there has been rumors of it at places like Texas' Fiji chapter among others.

Tom Earp · #5 10-18-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I agree, but when a national GLO in SEC/Big 12 schools leaves nationals because of their rules, they gain much more respect in the SEC I would think. This has not happen recently to my knowledge but there has been rumors of it at places like Texas' Fiji chapter among others.

Interesting post? I think?

TSteven · #6 10-18-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I agree, but when a national GLO in SEC/Big 12 schools leaves nationals because of their rules, they gain much more respect in the SEC I would think. This has not happen recently to my knowledge but there has been rumors of it at places like Texas' Fiji chapter among others.

Has this happened? Where a national chapter at an SEC or Big Twelve school went local? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I don't recall hearing of it. Nor of any prominent Southern "old line" gentleman (young or old) leaving a national to become a member of the Yada-Yada Brotherhood.

Elephant Walk · #7 10-19-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

Has this happened? Where a national chapter at an SEC or Big Twelve school went local? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I don't recall hearing of it. Nor of any prominent Southern "old line" gentleman (young or old) leaving a national to become a member of the Yada-Yada Brotherhood.

It's almost happened many times, but failed or sort of fell out for one reason or another. From every story i've heard Fiji at Texas is more or less disconnected or disconnecting with their nationals slowly but surely. I would imagine that they would gain respect within their own greek community for their boldness.

tallgreekalum · #8 10-19-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

Has this happened? Where a national chapter at an SEC or Big Twelve school went local? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I don't recall hearing of it. Nor of any prominent Southern "old line" gentleman (young or old) leaving a national to become a member of the Yada-Yada Brotherhood.

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.
Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

Also, regarding our (ADPhi) new affiliate at Duke, I know that they felt that they wanted what a national organization had to offer, just not what their old national was offering. We have resisted the dry house and pledge program purging trends, and are doing quite well.

Tom Earp · #9 10-19-2006, 06:29 PM

So, I just wonder how many Brothers/Sisters they would have to come back to in later Years?

WOW, how many would they know over the years and all over the world?

PeppyGPhiB · #10 10-19-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.
Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

This is a good point. A lot of locals probably proactively go that way once they catch on that national is going to pull the charter.

TSteven · #11 10-19-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.

Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

As I recall, of the ones you have listed, only Phi Delta Theta's chapter at Sewanee decided to disaffiliate and become a local. The "Phi Society" or something like that.

Vanderbilt's Sigma Nu and Phi Delta Theta are in the process of re-colonizing. Virginia's Phi Delta Theta chapter was re-colonized a few years back. As for Kappa Sigma at Ole Miss, I believe they are still on suspension. But frankly, I venture to guess that given Kappa Sigma's tradition at Ole Miss, they too will be back. Not sure if they will "need to" re-colonize or not. But if so, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen sooner than later.

macallan25 · #12 10-19-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I agree, but when a national GLO in SEC/Big 12 schools leaves nationals because of their rules, they gain much more respect in the SEC I would think. This has not happen recently to my knowledge but there has been rumors of it at places like Texas' Fiji chapter among others.

You are correct about Texas FIJI.........and they are one of the two top houses on our campus. Its not going to hurt them in any way.....as someone was mentioning above. They are one of the wealthiest chapters I have ever seen and have an insane amount of prestigious alumni support. I would argue that they are easily the best chapter of FIJI in The South.

SoCalGirl · #13 10-19-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

You are correct about Texas FIJI.........and they are one of the two top houses on our campus. Its not going to hurt them in any way.....as someone was mentioning above. They are one of the wealthiest chapters I have ever seen and have an insane amount of prestigious alumni support. I would argue that they are easily the best chapter of FIJI in The South.

Does anyone know what happens to that wealth if a chapter goes local? I would think that it would stay with the national, so no matter how much cash they have they'd still start from scratch.

RU OX Alum · #14 10-19-2006, 08:45 AM

So Cal Girl, no, that money stays with the Alumni Corp or Alumni Assoc or which ever org. had it. They don't have to give it to nationals, but they don't have to give to the local guys.

as to original topic: no comment

macallan25 · #15 10-19-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Does anyone know what happens to that wealth if a chapter goes local? I would think that it would stay with the national, so no matter how much cash they have they'd still start from scratch.

In FIJI's case.....no. They are pretty much already diasaffiliated. They are extremely wealthy. Nationals can't take away private donations and funding.