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[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kddani

I think a good general rule of thumb is that if it appears in the Bible, it shouldn't be profanity. I.e. ass, hell and damn (and possibly others) are not profanity.

We should use more biblical profanities. It could make discussion more interesting.

Example:
"I want to know you all night long... in the biblical sense"

[cutie_cat_4ever]

Please just take it from a fairly new person on this board, and I've been reading this fairly interesting discussion.

I can see why this forum is really a bad idea to exist. I, like some others, happen to come across this forum and saw this thread. Obviously, it "IMPLIED" us some "REALLY WRONG" info that mislead us, despite whether it was intentionally misleading or not.

AI is invitation only - this was mislead by certain long journey posts that gave hopeful PNAM the illusion that we can do it to. That's why it's probably not a good idea to give special attention to these posts by making a seperate forum. Have them post in their respective GLO forums. I'm sure most members DO NOT want to mislead people.

The sticky about the the list of successful AI's should probably be taken off as well. While I understand that it's great to celebrate these successful women for making it through, it also allows PNAM to play guessing game as to which GLO does AI or what not. As most of you put it, these ladies are members, not second class citizens, so I personally do not see the need to post a list of AIs when it can give a potential to mislead people.

Also I DO NOT think that members on this forum are Anti AI. I've been reading this forum and just can't see anything about bashing AI.

Also for the mods, I notice the thread about non-collegiate sororities has been taken down. I personally found it really useful, so I would hope to see it back. Also directing PNAM to nationals, or ever doing research on their local AA would be a way to go, if they do not have any ties or whatsoever. If they have friends in a sorority, encourage them to talk to them and help out with their chapter or whatsoever.

So i guess my point is that this forum will MISLEAD people. A sticky would be good enough to do the explaining. GC shouldn't even take the burden of modding this forum...

That's just my 2 cents... (hides to avoid attacks, haha )

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Actually, (and I say this very kindly...in all seriousness) you did misinterpret why I said the college recruitment forums should be disbanded if the AI forums were.

One of the major arguments against the AI is that someone could "possibly" get inaccurate information, because they don't know who they are getting it from. They also said that it wasn't an "official" forum.

The sorority recruitment forum has the exact same issues. How does a college women know she is getting accurate information on the board? If she posts in a GLO she is interested in, how does she even know that the posts she is reading are from actual members, or imposters?

The sorority recruitment forum isn't official either, so why are these women so readily helped (and if they are interested in a specific sorority, they are often assisted in finding their way home with recs solicited on the internet, etc).

Why aren't they told that they need to have these discussions with their recruitment counselor? Isn't that what she is there for? To explain how recruitment works, give wardrobe advice, etc?

I don't see how the two are different. Both are not official.

You also missed the part where I said that even without GC, a PNM can still get the information she's seeking anywhere else on the internet. You can't do that for AI.
GC is treated like a greek wikipedia. For the most part, the information is accurate, but you don't know for sure. The reason PNMs are so readily helped is because recruitment is an open event and the main mode of intake for GLOs. AI isn't. Did you find anywhere else that provided AI information when you were looking on the internet?

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

2) Don't post the name of the sorority until you are extended an invitation to join, or better yet, intiated.

I would be in favor of PNAIs posting the name of the sorority. I would be in favor of you posting your sorority of choice.

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I was able to gather all of that info without posting anything. I consider this information, extremely basic. That is the part that I would like to see continue, and I don't see anything wrong with a sticky to make sure that the information given is accurate

I don't understand how a "sticky" would ensure that information is accurate.

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

However, there may not be many, but I am sure there are a few women like me, who want to join for the right reasons, are willing to be a very present, hardworking member, and "do the sorority justice" in representing it and giving back. I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if HQ was contacted by these women. How many could there possibly be? This forum is very, very small.

In my opinion, this is where things really start to go downhill for you. You obviously believe that your reasons for wanting to AI are the "right" reasons. But really, AI is not a mutual selection process. It is the GLO's reasons that are assessed, not the PNAI's. I don't intend for that to sound offensive - really, I don't. AI is not intended to be fair or unfair. The GLO decides who they want or need and if the woman accepts it is a go. The PNAI really is virtually powerless except for the obvious ability to go along with the process, decline, or accept. That is why AI is a tougher reality than collegiate recruitment, where there is more of a mutual selection. (Although it is still heavily weighted on the GLO's side, in my opinion.)

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I don't think people that are Anti-AI should be posting in the AI forum at all.

Keep in mind that this is a greek messageboard. Whether ladies are pro or anti-AI, they are actually members of Greek Letter Organizations. I have no problem with non-greeks posting here, but to restrict a greek forum and allow non-greeks (PNAIs) to post and not actual greeks seems a bit off.

[AChiOhSnap]

Reach The Limit, can I ask you a serious, honest to God question?

Why would someone in your position choose to go through the gauntlet of AI in an NPC organization -- which is much more tricky without like having a good friend or relative in an organization -- instead of attempting to join a community sorority that is designed to intake adult women?

Actually, that's my biggest question for all PNAMs....why aren't you looking at community sororities that are designed for adult intake? I certainly don't want to speak for any of the members of these community sororities or imply that it's somehow "easier" to gain membership into them, but seriously...WHY NPC???

[adpiucf]

That's what I wonder, too. Having been a member of several alumnae associations around the US, and having friends in other NPC's with varying levels of alumnae involvement, most of us find greater ranges of activity and fulfillment within groups where the focus in programming is on us and the phase of life we are currently in, not us at age 20.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by AChiOhSnap

Reach The Limit, can I ask you a serious, honest to God question?

Why would someone in your position choose to go through the gauntlet of AI in an NPC organization -- which is much more tricky without like having a good friend or relative in an organization -- instead of attempting to join a community sorority that is designed to intake adult women?

Actually, that's my biggest question for all PNAMs....why aren't you looking at community sororities that are designed for adult intake? I certainly don't want to speak for any of the members of these community sororities or imply that it's somehow "easier" to gain membership into them, but seriously...WHY NPC???

I've wondered this all along.....seriously, why not join the Junior League? That's what I'd do if I were interested in a sorority-esque environment but had not been a collegiate member of my organization.

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I've wondered this all along.....seriously, why not join the Junior League? That's what I'd do if I were interested in a sorority-esque environment but had not been a collegiate member of my organization.

YES YES YES! PNAMs.... there are groups -- sororities even -- that are specifically designed for women like you! They're out there! Take advantage of them! You'd think that if ritual/philanthropy/sisterhood draws you to greek life, then you would want to attempt to join a community sorority which encompasses everything you want and yet isn't as exceedingly rare as NPC AI!

ReachTheLimit, maybe you can shed some light on what draws you to NPC orgs over community sororities specifically?

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I've wondered this all along.....seriously, why not join the Junior League? That's what I'd do if I were interested in a sorority-esque environment but had not been a collegiate member of my organization.

Provisionals/New Members of the Junior League are often older, in their early 30s, probably established in their careers and married with kids. Many PNAMs feel that a sorority, especially one with a young alum group may be better for them, socially speaking (Junior League might be better for networking, though).

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by AChiOhSnap

Reach The Limit, can I ask you a serious, honest to God question?

Why would someone in your position choose to go through the gauntlet of AI in an NPC organization -- which is much more tricky without like having a good friend or relative in an organization -- instead of attempting to join a community sorority that is designed to intake adult women?

Actually, that's my biggest question for all PNAMs....why aren't you looking at community sororities that are designed for adult intake? I certainly don't want to speak for any of the members of these community sororities or imply that it's somehow "easier" to gain membership into them, but seriously...WHY NPC???

Maybe it is because of the awareness that they found in College.

So, if for some reason that they want to try to join a GLO that they admire, who are any of you to judge this person?


So, no one has AIed from GC?

Slap them in the face and tell them they are not good enough to be a member of your GLO!


This is another brilliant statement about AIing.

YES YES YES! PNAMs.... there are groups -- sororities even -- that are specifically designed for women like you! They're out there! Take advantage of them! You'd think that if ritual/philanthropy/sisterhood draws you to greek life, then you would want to attempt to join a community sorority which encompasses everything you want and yet isn't as exceedingly rare as NPC AI!

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Maybe it is because of the awareness that they found in College.

So, if for some reason that they want to try to join a GLO that they admire, who are any of you to judge this person?


So, no one has AIed from GC?

Slap them in the face and tell them they are not good enough to be a member of your GLO!


This is another brilliant statement about AIing.

YES YES YES! PNAMs.... there are groups -- sororities even -- that are specifically designed for women like you! They're out there! Take advantage of them! You'd think that if ritual/philanthropy/sisterhood draws you to greek life, then you would want to attempt to join a community sorority which encompasses everything you want and yet isn't as exceedingly rare as NPC AI!

Don't you ever think before you speak? Or read whole threads? When you're in a sorority or become a woman, then your opinion becomes valid Earp

[greekalum]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Provisionals/New Members of the Junior League are often older, in their early 30s, probably established in their careers and married with kids. Many PNAMs feel that a sorority, especially one with a young alum group may be better for them, socially speaking (Junior League might be better for networking, though).

Most sororities are not looking to ask women in their early 20s to become AIs. And a woman who wants to join a sorority after college for the social aspects is really barking up the wrong tree.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Most sororities are not looking to ask women in their early 20s to become AIs. And a woman who wants to join a sorority after college for the social aspects is really barking up the wrong tree.

I almost cross-posted you with the exact same thoughts.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Most sororities are not looking to ask women in their early 20s to become AIs. And a woman who wants to join a sorority after college for the social aspects is really barking up the wrong tree.

Well, then I guess you all probably think I joined for the "wrong reason."

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Provisionals/New Members of the Junior League are often older, in their early 30s, probably established in their careers and married with kids.

In Canada it's the 30s.
In places like Texas, it's more like early 20s, after college is done. Kinda like a continuation of sorority life.....

and in the JL that I was in, there were a lot of Texans, due to the oil and gas connection, so they told me all about the League back in Houson, etc.