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[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by AChiOhSnap

Reach The Limit, can I ask you a serious, honest to God question?

Why would someone in your position choose to go through the gauntlet of AI in an NPC organization -- which is much more tricky without like having a good friend or relative in an organization -- instead of attempting to join a community sorority that is designed to intake adult women?

Actually, that's my biggest question for all PNAMs....why aren't you looking at community sororities that are designed for adult intake? I certainly don't want to speak for any of the members of these community sororities or imply that it's somehow "easier" to gain membership into them, but seriously...WHY NPC???

I've wondered this all along.....seriously, why not join the Junior League? That's what I'd do if I were interested in a sorority-esque environment but had not been a collegiate member of my organization.

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I've wondered this all along.....seriously, why not join the Junior League? That's what I'd do if I were interested in a sorority-esque environment but had not been a collegiate member of my organization.

YES YES YES! PNAMs.... there are groups -- sororities even -- that are specifically designed for women like you! They're out there! Take advantage of them! You'd think that if ritual/philanthropy/sisterhood draws you to greek life, then you would want to attempt to join a community sorority which encompasses everything you want and yet isn't as exceedingly rare as NPC AI!

ReachTheLimit, maybe you can shed some light on what draws you to NPC orgs over community sororities specifically?

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I've wondered this all along.....seriously, why not join the Junior League? That's what I'd do if I were interested in a sorority-esque environment but had not been a collegiate member of my organization.

Provisionals/New Members of the Junior League are often older, in their early 30s, probably established in their careers and married with kids. Many PNAMs feel that a sorority, especially one with a young alum group may be better for them, socially speaking (Junior League might be better for networking, though).

[greekalum]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Provisionals/New Members of the Junior League are often older, in their early 30s, probably established in their careers and married with kids. Many PNAMs feel that a sorority, especially one with a young alum group may be better for them, socially speaking (Junior League might be better for networking, though).

Most sororities are not looking to ask women in their early 20s to become AIs. And a woman who wants to join a sorority after college for the social aspects is really barking up the wrong tree.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Most sororities are not looking to ask women in their early 20s to become AIs. And a woman who wants to join a sorority after college for the social aspects is really barking up the wrong tree.

I almost cross-posted you with the exact same thoughts.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Most sororities are not looking to ask women in their early 20s to become AIs. And a woman who wants to join a sorority after college for the social aspects is really barking up the wrong tree.

Well, then I guess you all probably think I joined for the "wrong reason."

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Provisionals/New Members of the Junior League are often older, in their early 30s, probably established in their careers and married with kids.

In Canada it's the 30s.
In places like Texas, it's more like early 20s, after college is done. Kinda like a continuation of sorority life.....

and in the JL that I was in, there were a lot of Texans, due to the oil and gas connection, so they told me all about the League back in Houson, etc.

[texas*princess]

Dang.

I go to work, and I miss like 6 pages of AI-fun!

My general thoughts on today's posts and a summary in case anyone else's place of employment blocks out GC Fun:


* ba - if you paperwork stalled after it had already begun, the questions should be directed to the Alum. Chapter involved. Not random strangers on the internet who may or may not know how your sorority does AI.

*While this board is not encouraging swarms and swarms of AI, I would go back and read all the AI threads. Count how many AI's said "I have never thought of AI until now!" Count how many AIs there are because their local affiliated, or they were involved with the collegiate chapter, or they knew someone in the alum chapter already. Now make those numbers a ratio. There's your sign.

*As PT noted, ritual is also a part of church, Masonic organizations, etc.

*AI is NOT recruitment

* I had a difficult major, and I still worked almost 40 hrs/wk, paid my way through college AND all my sorority expenses, still went to class, got all my homework done, and had time for socials with the boys on Fraternity Row. It can be done. People do it every year. It's called time management.

* If you choose to attend a SEC school you need to know that you may or may not become greek due to it's competitiveness. If you can't handle that and being greek means the world to you, go to a less competitive school and be over it. Being greek is not the end of the world. I've never been to a SEC campus but they sure look like a lot of fun. I'm sure non-greeks have a great social life just as the greeks do.

* I don't know about anyone else, but I don't wake up every morning and think "Gosh, I need to fill my daily quota of finding a great, unaffiliated woman to join my sisterhood!" If there is someone I know very well, and I think she is an outstanding individual, I will let my AA know. I don't let it consume my day, because.. well, I'm at WORK.

* Let's lay off the report button

* adpiucf is awesome

* copied from adpiucf: Please stop implying that you know better for our organizations and what we should be doing. The fact remains that we don't, and we won't until our membership votes otherwise.

* I hate to bring it up, but seriously. I'm beginning to wonder why Adelphean is so gung-ho about the AI forum when she posted that she wished the sorority didn't even do AI to begin with. While AI is very rare within the sorority, I still think it's an NPC-wide issue that should not be on GC.

* AI is not recruitment

* AI is not an open event

* Anyone can post in the AI forum. It is not your call to decide who can/can't post here

* Also it's not that we're "ANTI-AI" we're "ANTI-SORORITY SHOPPING" and "ANTI- putting information on the intraweb that shouldn't be out there"

* I wonder if any of the salons have sent me email replies?

[Jen]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

* I wonder if any of the salons have sent me email replies?

While I hate that people are getting hair transplants willy nilly because of this board, I really hope that JimBob's is one of the salons you're looking at. I think, based on my knowledge of you that I have learned via TEH INTARWEB that you would be a great addition to my salon, and also, to haired persons.

Originally Posted by ariesrising

While I hate that people are getting hair transplants willy nilly because of this board, I really hope that JimBob's is one of the salons you're looking at. I think, based on my knowledge of you that I have learned via TEH INTARWEB that you would be a great addition to my salon, and also, to haired persons.

Please do not de-rail this thread. Keep other threads separate and don't let discussion there spill over to this one.

After all, you might just piss off wannabe-moderators who are trying to do their job!

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Dang.

I go to work, and I miss like 6 pages of AI-fun!

My general thoughts on today's posts and a summary in case anyone else's place of employment blocks out GC Fun:


* ba - if you paperwork stalled after it had already begun, the questions should be directed to the Alum. Chapter involved. Not random strangers on the internet who may or may not know how your sorority does AI.

However... my paperwork was stalled.. my AA chapter didn't know why. A "random stranger" in my sorority on GC was able to straighten it out for me, so I am a perfect example of how the AI forum on GC is a positive thing. There are some very kind souls here who are willing to help others.

*While this board is not encouraging swarms and swarms of AI, I would go back and read all the AI threads. Count how many AI's said "I have never thought of AI until now!" Count how many AIs there are because their local affiliated, or they were involved with the collegiate chapter, or they knew someone in the alum chapter already. Now make those numbers a ratio. There's your sign.

Please DO count them. You'll find that this board has not had any significant impact.

*AI is NOT recruitment

Nobody said it was.

* I had a difficult major, and I still worked almost 40 hrs/wk, paid my way through college AND all my sorority expenses, still went to class, got all my homework done, and had time for socials with the boys on Fraternity Row. It can be done. People do it every year. It's called time management.

And I was an athlete who was competing nationally and had to focus on school and my sport. Some of us don't want to be a "jack of all trades and master of none." Some of us strive for excellence and must make hard choices in college in order to realize big dreams.

* If you choose to attend a SEC school you need to know that you may or may not become greek due to it's competitiveness. If you can't handle that and being greek means the world to you, go to a less competitive school and be over it. Being greek is not the end of the world. I've never been to a SEC campus but they sure look like a lot of fun. I'm sure non-greeks have a great social life just as the greeks do.

I don't like your advice about schools. College is all about preparing you for a career. It is not about getting in to a social organization. Your career should come first. I do, however, agree that being greek (or not) is not the end of the world. And yes SEC schools are a lot of fun, but they're also a lot of hard work.

* I don't know about anyone else, but I don't wake up every morning and think "Gosh, I need to fill my daily quota of finding a great, unaffiliated woman to join my sisterhood!" If there is someone I know very well, and I think she is an outstanding individual, I will let my AA know. I don't let it consume my day, because.. well, I'm at WORK.

I think you're unfairly exaggerating this. I don't think there is anyone on here who was about to slit their wrists because they aren't in a GLO. And, what if there is an outstanding woman out there that you DON'T know?

* Let's lay off the report button

If everyone obeys the TOS, people will have no need to hit the report button.

* AI is not recruitment

didn't you say this already?

* AI is not an open event

meaning?

* Anyone can post in the AI forum. It is not your call to decide who can/can't post here

I agree with that

* Also it's not that we're "ANTI-AI" we're "ANTI-SORORITY SHOPPING" and "ANTI- putting information on the intraweb that shouldn't be out there"

Please define "sorority shopping" as this seems to be a kicked around term that nobody can agree on. What is this secret squirrel info you're referring to?

You know, I wonder if there are any GC women who now regret helping/sponsor GC PNAMs through their process? Who have witnessed either firsthand in the AA or online the behavior of these former PNAMs they assisted... and then think to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by OTW

You know, I wonder if there are any GC women who now regret helping/sponsor GC PNAMs through their process? Who have witnessed either firsthand in the AA or online the behavior of these former PNAMs they assisted... and then think to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

and.. I wonder if there are people who wrote recs for PNMs and now regret helping them through the process.. who have witnessed either firsthand in the college chapter, AA or online the behavior of those former PNMs they assisted.. and thing to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by OTW

You know, I wonder if there are any GC women who now regret helping/sponsor GC PNAMs through their process? Who have witnessed either firsthand in the AA or online the behavior of these former PNAMs they assisted... and then think to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

I can't stop laughing at this. The Drama Express has left the station, and it's choo-choo-choosing passengers along the way.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by blueangel

However... my paperwork was stalled.. my AA chapter didn't know why. A "random stranger" in my sorority on GC was able to straighten it out for me, so I am a perfect example of how the AI forum on GC is a positive thing. There are some very kind souls here who are willing to help others.

BUT YOU DIDN'T NEED THE AI FORUM TO DO THAT.

There are lots of ZTAs on here, including the moderator who it's obvious is very involved as an alumna. You could have emailed any of them and asked them what to do, and if they didn't know they could have contacted HQ or someone else who could have helped you.

OR you could have told your AA to figure it out. If my alum chapter had a woman we really wanted to AI and her paperwork was stalled, you can bet I'd be on HQ's butts asking them what the holdup was.

YOU DIDN'T NEED AN AI FORUM TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM.