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33girl · #1 10-05-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

So? If that is the case, what's the problem. A PNAI can ask, but she's not going to get anywhere getting a sponsor on GC.

Oh for crying out loud in a bucket.

IT HAS HAPPENED. What part of this is not penetrating??

Like I said before, I think that the reason you're so cavalier about all this is you know ZTA alum initiation is few and far between and always has been, so it's a moot point as far as you're concerned.

blueangel · #2 10-05-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh for crying out loud in a bucket.

IT HAS HAPPENED. What part of this is not penetrating??

Like I said before, I think that the reason you're so cavalier about all this is you know ZTA alum initiation is few and far between and always has been, so it's a moot point as far as you're concerned.

It HAS happened? To whom and by whom? Please feel free to PM me if you don't feel comfortable naming names here. I have never heard of it.

And, no, it's not a "moot point"-- because I read the AI forum and enjoy it.. and don't want to see a vocal minority ruin it for the rest of us.

Amended to add: Alpha Frog seems to think nobody believes in sponsoring an AI from GC... so either she is right or you are.

AlphaFrog · #3 10-05-2006, 10:21 AM

Jesus Christ... "nobody" on GC is a generic term for 99.99999% of everybody. There are hundreds of thousands of members, so if there's an exception, it's going to happen. Why must you be so f*ing literal?

blueangel · #4 10-05-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Jesus Christ... "nobody" on GC is a generic term for 99.99999% of everybody. There are hundreds of thousands of members, so if there's an exception, it's going to happen. Why must you be so f*ing literal?

So then you're saying that it happens but is extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely rare? .00001 %? So then, what's the problem?

AlphaFrog · #5 10-05-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

So then you're saying that it happens but is extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely rare? .00001 %? So then, what's the problem?

That's the problem.

blueangel · #6 10-05-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

That's the problem.

It's a problem that it's rare that someone is sponsored on Greek Chat? You'd like to make it common?

Who was sponsored and who did the sponsoring? Again, please feel free to PM me the names. I have never heard of it. Or are you assuming?

33girl · #7 10-05-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

It's a problem that it's rare that someone is sponsored on Greek Chat? You'd like to make it common?

Who was sponsored and who did the sponsoring? Again, please feel free to PM me the names. I have never heard of it. Or are you assuming?

Do a search.

AChiOhSnap · #8 10-05-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

It's a problem that it's rare that someone is sponsored on Greek Chat? You'd like to make it common?

Who was sponsored and who did the sponsoring? Again, please feel free to PM me the names. I have never heard of it. Or are you assuming?

No blueangel, it really happened. This woman initially went to a few different sororities for AI attempts, none of them worked out, and then was OFFERED a sponsorship -- really out of the blue -- by a member of GC in a fourth org. When she posted her story and mentioned that she was offered sponsorship on GC, it seemed to invoke a virtual slew of "SPONSOR ME!!!!" requests. I'm not going to comment on this particular woman's story since she's been initiated now and that's all that matters, but unfortunately, it seemed to put the idea in the random PNAIs' heads that you could just get anyone from the internet to sponsor you or walk you through the AI process for their sorority.

ETA: the problem is not with this particular woman, or that this only happened once, the problem is it's really obnoxious when PNAIs basically spam the board with "sponsor me" requests. Most have been deleted now, but these same PNAIs are the ones that start bitching and cussing everyone out on the board when the GCers are like "This is not the appropriate way to obtain sponsorship." It's obnoxious that this bs clogs up what should ordinarily be an interesting forum. Since I feel like there's a small handful of really great PNAIs that are going about the AI process in the right way and a whole hell of a lot of freakshow PNAIs that got cut from every sorority in college because they have no social graces, I think it's appropriate to either close the board and let the good PNAIs post in their respective sororities' forums, or start immediately closing down AI shopping threads like the D9 forums do.

PenguinTrax · #9 10-05-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

It's a problem that it's rare that someone is sponsored on Greek Chat? You'd like to make it common?

Who was sponsored and who did the sponsoring? Again, please feel free to PM me the names. I have never heard of it. Or are you assuming?

No, it has really happened on this forum.

CutiePie2000 · #10 10-05-2006, 11:39 AM

I'll have b*lls of steel and name them publicly:

sagesofages sponsored adduncan for Phi Mu
GPhiBLtColonel did it for Cluey, navane, & houstonchica for GPhiB.
I've been approached via PMs for sponsorship multiple times and now I just delete them, so I don't have the names anymore.
TrojanGirl was sponsored into KD by another KD member on GC, but I can't remember specifically who it was. (edit: sorry: I was incorrect here. I've apologize for this here..and also later on in the thread. Thank you.)

I used to be more open-minded to women pursuing AI through their own recommendation but I am no longer and the whole idea makes me uncomfortable, due to the downturn of events. If someone's AI pursuit comes to a grinding halt, who am I to get involved and help get it jumpstarted again? Maybe those local women are saying "no" in a tacit manner (i.e. ignoring the PNAM, hoping they'll go away), because they know something that I don't.

And also, by tacit, I mean: implied or indicated (as by an act or by silence) but not actually expressed. By doing "nothing', they're hoping that the PNAM will take the hint and drop the whole pursuit issue. I don't think that this is very nice, but a lot of people are uncomfortable with confrontation.

valkyrie · #11 10-05-2006, 11:41 AM

LOL OH SNAP. CP, I love you.

blueangel · #12 10-05-2006, 12:10 PM

Thanks for clearing this up. I had no idea this was going on. I agree, it's quite inappropriate. I don't know who is more wrong-- those asking or those doing the sponsoring.

But is shutting down the forum the answer? I don't think so. The board does so much good. This is an unfortunate, but not unsolvable issue.

As a sidebar, "ignoring a PNAI until they go away." isn't tactful. In my opinion, it's cowardly and cruel. Better to tell them nicely that they are not a good fit for the organization.

33girl · #13 10-05-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

As a sidebar, "ignoring a PNAI until they go away." isn't tactful. In my opinion, it's cowardly and cruel. Better to tell them nicely that they are not a good fit for the organization.

WE DO! WE DID!! WE TRIED!!! That's when you start getting on everyone's case about "torturing" someone. Haven't you ever tried to break up with a guy nicely, that doesn't make a dent, so you have to resort to being mean to make him go away?

(Internally edited for exceptionally bitchy thoughts)

And how on earth can you say "the board does so much good" when it's AIs THEMSELVES who are coming forward asking for it to be deleted? You wanted a list before, fine. Turnabout is fair play. Make us a list of SUCCESSFUL AIs - women who have actually been initiated and are active in their GLO as alumnae - who want it to stay up.

Jen · #14 10-05-2006, 12:23 PM

I still think handling it as was mentioned earlier in the thread - directing women to the sororities and NPC women whenever someone requests AI info - a la the D9 - is the best way to go. That way they get directed to official sources and anyone on GC that feels the need to stick their heads in that PNAMs search may do so of her own volition.

And I've had sponsorship requests as well. They get deleted in a hot second.

blueangel · #15 10-05-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

WE DO! WE DID!! WE TRIED!!! That's when you start getting on everyone's case about "torturing" someone. Haven't you ever tried to break up with a guy nicely, that doesn't make a dent, so you have to resort to being mean to make him go away?

(Internally edited for exceptionally bitchy thoughts)

And how on earth can you say "the board does so much good" when it's AIs THEMSELVES who are coming forward asking for it to be deleted? You wanted a list before, fine. Turnabout is fair play. Make us a list of SUCCESSFUL AIs - women who have actually been initiated and are active in their GLO as alumnae - who want it to stay up.

Yes, I've had boyfriends that wouldn't go away because I wasn't direct enough. That's my point. I've learned that the best way to tell someone it's not a good fit, is to say just that... not ignore them.

Why have people asked for things to be deleted on this board? Frankly, because some of these women have harrassed and tortured. They've been run off.

Rather than answer their questions politely, they're greeted with snippy, snappy, and rude comments. They're grilled about their reasons for wanting to AI. They're made to feel embarrassed for wanting to join a GLO. I think that's a shame.