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Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor
If you guys who are posting are really a part of a fraternity (or sorority, Jenny 87?), you should be ashamed of yourselves. The "system" and "rules" which you are trying to uphold are nonsensical as applied universally and that's why not one single national fraternity (whether they choose to expand often of not) supports such a position.
Now, for those of you who support this idea of limited and "systematic" expansion by the IFC, query what the broader effects are of such a policy. In other words, think about how such a policy would actually play out in the real world. What you are supporting is a system whereby fraternities race to the new campuses all across the nation, set up shop, then band together and vote to keep the other fraternities out until the ones who simply arrived first are "ready" and "healthy."
When each fraternity is ready to expand and wants to go to a new campus, then they may, regardless of who was there first. It's called the free market. The market will decide how many groups a campus will support.
The method of operation by the IFC is unsupportable by logic or in practice, which is evidenced by the fact that none of the local fraternities at FCGU have the support of their national organizations (adults who know the issues and have been around the block a time or two). Sure, you kids think you know it all now, but one day you'll grow up gain a broader perspective of how life really works and why free expansion is the only policy that makes sense.
For now, however, our fight is with FGCU, not with the IFC. We are fighting for our constitutional right to be recognized commensurate with the other fraternities on campus. For those who disagree and think that it's acceptable for a public institution to prohibit a bunch of students from exercising their rights on campus solely because some of their fellow students didn't "vote" them in, someday you will realize you're wrong. This day may come soon or it may not come until you or someone in your family is discriminated upon, but it will come. And when it does, I hope you seek out the undergraduate students whom you spent so much energy trying to keep off campus and offer your apologies for denying them the same rights you enjoyed during your college years. I don't blame you, and I don't think any of you are doing so with malice. You are simply young, uneducated, and wrong. We were all there once. One day you will open your minds, realize you are supporting an illogical and unfair system (perhaps because you've been taught that way and don't know any better), and decide to stand up for your fellow students who only seek the same rights you enjoy. I only hope that day comes sooner rather than later.
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Wow. Where does one begin?
Condescending. Unfamiliar. Those are a couple of the adjectives that come to mind when reading this post.
You obviously haven't been a member of GC. The majority of us are alumns of our respective fraternities and sororities. Many of us are/have been chapter advisors to both established chapters and colonies. Many of us have either volunteered for our inter/national groups or have worked for our groups.
We understand the issues going on at FGCU. Really, we do. What it boils down to is this: Some guys didn't like the current fraternities. Did they go as a group to the Greek Life Office and say this, explaining their issues and their request to look for a new fraternity? Or, did they form a new group on their own, look around for a fraternity, liked Kappa Sigma, and contacted them? (From some earlier posts, that's the way it sounds.) Kappa Sigma talked to them, liked what they saw, and said "We'd love to have you guys as a group."
Did Kappa Sigma or the young men starting the group ever look/ask about FGCU's expansion policies before this all started? If not, that was poor planning and you got blindsided by a rule that you should have checked into.
If yes, then you saw the rule that says that unrecognized colonies/expansions could not be recognized for 5 years and decided, "To hell with it. We'll do it anyway." Either way, there is an established rule that is non-discriminatory because it does apply to any Greek organization. If they were applying it to you, and then (for example) Phi Lambda Chi is acccepted even though they had a non-recognized expansion, I can guarrantee you that you would have my full support.
I keep hearing that you have all the NIC Inter/National Offices supporting you. Well, then, they need to check the Expansion Resolution from the NIC. Especially the last section:
"To provide students with context for the benefits and lessons of expansion, the members of the Conference agree to:
*Educate their undergraduate chapters, the Interfraternity Council leaders and interested alumni about the overall benefits and responsibilities of expansion and to foster ongoing support for the growth of the fraternity movement;
*Offer only those statements and promises in expansion discussions which accurately reflect capabilities;
*Encourage the highest academic, social, and moral standards among all interested students in all expansion endeavors;
*Make every reasonable attempt to coordinate expansion efforts with the administration and with the Interfraternity Council of colleges and universities at which they are pursuing expansion opportunities;
*Recognize that the size of a member fraternity is not indicative of that member fraternity's ability to administer an expansion project at an institution;
*Respect the right of any organized collegiate group to seek a member fraternity of its choice in an effort to affiliate with that general fraternity; and
*Request approval of the appropriate college or university official before granting colony status."
^^ See that one: "Request approval of the appropriate college or university official before granting colony status." Before, not during, not after. Before.
Plain and simple.
No one here is against expansion or for discrimination. We are for properly done expansions and following rules.
And, let me say again, I really don't understand why you want support from Inter/National Offices of an Organization that you choose not to be a member.
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