Buckingham Palace shares big news!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ElieM

I was kind of hoping for a girl if only to force all the Commonwealth countries to work speedily to pass non-primogeniture laws. Now they can take their time and piss fart about.

They've already agreed, so I doubt there'll be any back peddling.

Originally Posted by Shellfish

She already has some via Anne's son.

True, though as some on the news have pointed out, this one is much more likely to be the future of the monarchy than Anne's granddaughters.

Originally Posted by honeychile

I know that HRH is probably getting ready for bed, but I'm sure her face looks something like this:

I think you mean Her Majesty, cuz. She hasn't been HRH for 61 years.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hey MC, would HRH also bear the title of Earl of Strathearn or does his royal title supersede that?

I assume that by HRH you mean William, not He-Who-Has-Not-Yet-Been-Named. William is Earl of Strathean, and that is the title of precedence in Scotland, just as Duke of Cambridge is the title of precedence in England. So, in England, William is HRH The Duke of Cambridge, while in Scotland he is titled HRH The Earl of Strathearn. His peerages supersede his status as prince.

Because QEII has decreed that the children of the first-born of the Prince of Wales will be entitled to be called prince or princess, Newborn-Son will be called HRH Prince _____ of Cambridge, just as before being given a peerage, William was HRH Prince William of Wales.

[ADPiEE]

*sigh* I was really hoping for a girl so my daughter might share her name...but there's always baby #2

can't wait to hear the boy name

[ElieM]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

They've already agreed, so I doubt there'll be any back peddling.

They've agreed in England and in principle. There are a number of countries where it is still yet to pass. Not that I think they're not going to pass it, but I think primogeniture is outdated and should be done away with post haste

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ElieM

They've agreed in England and in principle. There are a number of countries where it is still yet to pass. Not that I think they're not going to pass it, but I think primogeniture is outdated and should be done away with post haste

The Scot in me feels compelled to suggest that you mean the United Kingdom, not just England.

All the realms have signed on to the Perth Agreement, and that agreement provided that legislation, agreeable to all realms, would be introduced first in the UK. It was introduced late in 2012 and was enacted and given royal assent in April 2013. As the laws of a number of the realms, particularly in the Caribbean and the Pacific, essentially adopt the laws of the UK with regard to the line of succession, no further action is required in those realms. Necessary laws have also passed in Canada, St. Kitts and Nevis, and two of the Australian states. (In Australia as I understand it, it's being dealt with by each state prior to action by the Australian Parliament.) Of the remaining realms that do not incorporate UK law with regard to this matter and that have not already passed the necessary laws, only the Bahamas, Barbados, Grenada and two Australian states have not yet started the process of changing their laws.

[Munchkin03]

This back-and-forth is pretty funny to me.

[ElieM]

Well, I wasn't sure about those Scots, and I suspect the separatists would like to pass their own amendments. Also, given that one of the Australian states yet to pass a law is Queensland, they are likely to be recalcitrant and backwards.

It's of no matter now, but the kind of legal tangles that may have ensued would have been very interesting.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ElieM

Well, I wasn't sure about those Scots, and I suspect the separatists would like to pass their own amendments. Also, given that one of the Australian states yet to pass a law is Queensland, they are likely to be recalcitrant and backwards.

Yeah, from what I can tell, Queensland is being a bit . . . slow.

As for Scotland, it will be an issue if they vote for independence next year, but for now it's a matter of UK law, not Scots law.

Speaking of the Scots, I saw on CNN this morning that one of the names the bookies are saying is a leading contender is Alexander. It struck me that that name could be the nod to William and Kate meeting in Scotland -- while there has never been an Alexander on the English throne, there were a number of them on the Scottish throne prior to the Union of the Crowns, and Alexander has always been a rather traditional Scottish name. And that made me wonder how choosing a traditional Scottish name might be viewed in light of next year's Scottish vote on independence.

And fwiw, James -- apparently the leading choice in the betting -- also has a strong Scottish pedigree. England has had two King Jameses, while Scotland has had seven.

[FSUZeta]

An name expert weighs in:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D347663

[AZ-AlphaXi]

^^^^ I liked the suggestion at the end that they name the new Prince John Paul George Ringo. :-)

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi

^^^^ I liked the suggestion at the end that they name the new Prince John Paul George Ringo. :-)

LOL.

But King John isn't happening. It simply isn't done.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

They've already agreed, so I doubt there'll be any back peddling.

True, though as some on the news have pointed out, this one is much more likely to be the future of the monarchy than Anne's granddaughters.

I think you mean Her Majesty, cuz. She hasn't been HRH for 61 years.

I assume that by HRH you mean William, not He-Who-Has-Not-Yet-Been-Named. William is Earl of Strathean, and that is the title of precedence in Scotland, just as Duke of Cambridge is the title of precedence in England. So, in England, William is HRH The Duke of Cambridge, while in Scotland he is titled HRH The Earl of Strathearn. His peerages supersede his status as prince.

Because QEII has decreed that the children of the first-born of the Prince of Wales will be entitled to be called prince or princess, Newborn-Son will be called HRH Prince _____ of Cambridge, just as before being given a peerage, William was HRH Prince William of Wales.

I meant Prince ____ of Cambridge, using his one of his daddy's lesser titles as a courtesy title, but wasn't how sure that worked for Royals. And unrelated but something funny occurred to me last night. The commonwealth realms are all ruled by a Queen, yet IIRC with the exception of the UK, none of them have any type of nobility any more.

[BraveMaroon]

I'm hoping they name him Royal Blue Ivy.

Or Travis.

[Old_Row]

I was really hoping for a girl so she could be the first Queen under their new laws but am happy they had a healthy baby! He was a big one! Maybe now that the official heir is born they can be more free to use Diana in a daughter's name? I am excited to find out the new prince's name!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

LOL.

But King John isn't happening. It simply isn't done.

Which is dumb, because there were plenty of kings worse than him.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by BraveMaroon

I'm hoping they name him Royal Blue Ivy