Embarrsing another GDI wearing Greek Shirts

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Agreed. Plus at some schools the sororities all give out crate loads of shirts that say "Rush XYZ" to any fraternity boy who will wear it. It's PR for them and I don't think people are too worried about them not knowing what the letters mean while wearing them.

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I thought that was against NPC rules? I thought I remembered seeing that on here somewhere. Oh well -- learned something new today

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[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But that's the point -- some kinds of clothing (like jerseys with block letters) typically do represent membership while other kinds (like event tee shirts) typically indicate attendance at the event rather than membership. Hence the distinction some groups and some campuses make.

And I guess it bears saying again: Different GLOs have different policies about non-members wearing letters. We should all be following the policies of our own GLOs regarding our letters and not worry about other org's policies and letters.

Vito wasn't talking about event t-shirts (for mixers, Greek week, what have you). He was talking about a screen printed t-shirt with nothing but Greek letters on it and why that would be OK for nonmembers to wear, but stitched letters are verboten.

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by 33girl

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

The ones I've personally been given say either rush XYZ or I heart XYZ. However, fraternities on my campus give letters to girls like crazy. Probably not right, but that is how it is. Not saying I agree with it, but thats something that XYZ fraternity decides to do with their XYZ letters. It is good pr/"fratty" for them to have women wearing their letters (i see a lot of jerseys, hats, any kind of t shirt.) Sororities do it too, but not as much. I've never seen stitch sorority letters, buy guys are wearing shirts with screen printed letters very often.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

That's not what I was talking about.

I thought that "Rush XYZ" shirts were given to women from fraternity men, but not the other way around (for fear of being un-Panhellenic). At least, that's the impression I got from reading GC.

katydidKD's post cleared that up, though (she said it's done, but not as often).

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That's not what I was talking about.

I thought that "Rush XYZ" shirts were given to women from fraternity men, but not the other way around (for fear of being un-Panhellenic). At least, that's the impression I got from reading GC.

katydidKD's post cleared that up, though (she said it's done, but not as often).

Never, in my experience, are "rush" shirts made to give to fraternity men, or shirts made exclusively to be worn by fraternity men. Also, on my campus we cannot formally use the word "rush" (no tshirts, etc.)

But, women ordering formal shirts for their dates, giving them an old tshirt from their philanthropy, is done in part because it is good pr for rush.

On my campus.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Never, in my experience, are "rush" shirts made to give to fraternity men, or shirts made exclusively to be worn by fraternity men. Also, on my campus we cannot formally use the word "rush" (no tshirts, etc.) But, women ordering formal shirts for their dates is done in part because it is good pr for rush. On my campus.

OK, now I'm back to square one lol

It sounds like you're talking about regular shirts given out throughout the year being worn by fraternity men = Good PR, indirectly affecting rush

shirley1929 sounded like she was talking about "Rush ABC Sorority" shirts given out at the beginning of the school year = Good PR, created specifically to influence rush

shirley1929's shirts are the ones that I thought were taboo, not the ones you're describing.

I just wanted to make sure my thinking wasn't off.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

OK, now I'm back to square one lol

It sounds like you're talking about regular shirts given out throughout the year being worn by fraternity men = Good PR, indirectly affecting rush

shirley1929 sounded like she was talking about "Rush ABC Sorority" shirts given out at the beginning of the school year = Good PR, created specifically to influence rush

shirley1929's shirts are the ones that I thought were taboo, not the ones you're describing.

I just wanted to make sure my thinking wasn't off.

You have everything correctly. On my campus, Shirley's shirts, as described, would never happen for the reasons you mentioned previously.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

You have everything correctly. On my campus, Shirley's shirts, as described, would never happen for the reasons you mentioned previously.

I'm thinking at schools like Univ of Texas. They have "Round-Up" a big party weekend in Austin. The girls (knowing that several PNM's come to the weekend in the spring) drop of crate loads of shirts at the different fraternity houses. The shirts will have slogans that would infer that they're recruitment shirts and that the wearer is supporting that particular sorority (they may not exactly say "Rush XYZ" but they'll say "Think XYZ" or "Go ABC"). The guys might wear an ABC shirt to one party and an XYZ to the next. Or an ABC shirt with an DEF button at the same time. Veeeerrryyy common.

I know this isn't exclusive to UT, TX Tech and TX A&M and other schools do similar events.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

And to get back to the topic of the thread, I would hope that no one here would be ill-mannered enough to intentionally embarrass a non-member wearing letters.

It depends on the context.

It isn't about ill-manner but rather about different protocols and traditions across councils/conferences and GLOs.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

I'm thinking at schools like Univ of Texas. They have "Round-Up" a big party weekend in Austin. The girls (knowing that several PNM's come to the weekend in the spring) drop of crate loads of shirts at the different fraternity houses. The shirts will have slogans that would infer that they're recruitment shirts and that the wearer is supporting that particular sorority (they may not exactly say "Rush XYZ" but they'll say "Think XYZ" or "Go ABC"). The guys might wear an ABC shirt to one party and an XYZ to the next. Or an ABC shirt with an DEF button at the same time. Veeeerrryyy common.

I know this isn't exclusive to UT, TX Tech and TX A&M and other schools do similar events.

That makes more senseeee

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

That makes more senseeee

Ok "makes sense", but based on what you said before these sort of rush shirts would absolutely never happen where you are. Again, I think it all comes down to campus culture.

Let's be honest, if the guys get the shirts in the spring, the hope is that they'll wear them all summer so that PNM's see them!

Yeah, apologies for the extra vowels. I have an annoying tendency to type the way I talk/think sometimes.

[katydidKD]

Ones made for XYZ fraternity that said RUSH ABC sorority would never happen at my campus per panhellenic (like k_s mentioned), and that is what i thought you meant prior to your clarification.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Ones made for XYZ fraternity that said RUSH ABC sorority would never happen at my campus per panhellenic (like k_s mentioned), and that is what i thought you meant prior to your clarification.

Gotcha. Just sincerely curious though, what's the difference between "Rush ABC" and "Go ABC"? Isn't the implication the same? I think I'm splitting hairs, but I'm genuinely curious if there's a line crossed...?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Let's be honest, if the guys get the shirts in the spring, the hope is that they'll wear them all summer so that PNM's see them!

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What on Earth does guys wearing tshirts have to do with sorority PNMs? GLO cultures differ but can't attracting PNMs through men be problematic?

/lane swerve

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

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What on Earth does guys wearing tshirts have to do with sorority PNMs? GLO cultures differ but can't attracting PNMs through men be problematic?

/lane swerve

Swerve anytime you like!

I would guess the thinking has multiple layers...1) It's more people that can wear your letters on multiple occasions (its not like the shirts can be given to other women outside of XYZ, so 50% of the student body is out) and 2) The PNM's are coming to town for orientation and will hopefully see Joe cute Frat Guy who happens to be in summer school wearing that shirt. It beats the heck out of a flyer on a tree on campus, that's for sure!

Now, the other side of it is drunk barfing frat guy wearing your shirt and being a general nuisance...I'm guessing he gets his stripped off of him posthaste.

Clearly the pros must outweigh the cons, because it's been going on for decades at these places.