What are the top 5 national Fraternities according to size?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

How many do they have? Since I remember doing the search and Delta Upsilon was the only ones with decent number of chapters left (as in the two digits at least).

Sorry I used google and found this thread. If it's not that important to you or if it makes you annoyed that I did so, just don't post. Don't be so immature about it.

Having pride in your organization doesn't mean Im bashing others. I love the TKEs, their like our brother fraternity at my school. I work with a KA and he's tight too. That's not what I'm trying to say which again many are failing to miss the point.

I think SAM is great because it knows how to do a fraternity.If you seen some other organizations (not mentioning which) from what I heard about their rituals and how they operate, it's not nearly as legit. Some fraternities out there literally try to kill you or basically take advantage of you. Some don't make their rituals have meaning and some just love to fuck around with you or actually attempt manslaughter.

And you shouldn't blame me for thinking that. The fact that people still die in fraternity incidents is sad as hell. When I saw my U of Maryland chapter just closed for alchohol poisoning I just thought wow they should go to hell for ruining our name. Since after being at my school, I would never think it's like that anywhere else.

But yeah, again it's called everyone chapter is completely different, a fact of life that some need to get over. No fraternity is global indenical and all the newer fraternities are just playing catchup to get their numbers big.

This entire post gave me a stroke

You're a hypocrite.

And LOL @ SAM knowing how to "do" a fraternity.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

How many do they have? Since I remember doing the search and Delta Upsilon was the only ones with decent number of chapters left (as in the two digits at least).

Sorry I used google and found this thread. If it's not that important to you or if it makes you annoyed that I did so, just don't post. Don't be so immature about it.

Having pride in your organization doesn't mean Im bashing others. I love the TKEs, their like our brother fraternity at my school. I work with a KA and their tight too. That's not what I'm trying to say which again many are failing to miss the point. SAEs are basically our rivals since they crush us in greek week. Sigma Chi is very uprising and has big numbers which is good. These are facts that I am saying. Just because I said that SAM is the most involved on my campus (which is a fact, we have the most people out there doing stuff,1600-1700 community services hours in a year, 2 years in a row, yeah Im pretty sure that's involved) and just great guys trying to make college better for everything, doesn't mean I am putting you down. We made greatness, unlike some organizations that brag about being great and haven't done anything for their local community.

I think SAM is great because it knows how to do a fraternity. If you seen some other organizations (not mentioning which) from what I heard about their rituals and how they operate, it's not nearly as legit. Some fraternities out there literally try to kill you or basically take advantage of you. Some don't make their rituals have meaning and some just love to fuck around with you or actually attempt manslaughter. You can't blame me for liking an organization that I feel like I can actually trust.

And you shouldn't blame me for thinking that. The fact that people still die in fraternity incidents is sad as hell. When I saw my U of Maryland chapter just closed for alchohol poisoning I just thought wow they should go to hell for ruining our name. Since after being at my school, I would never think it's like that anywhere else.

But yeah, again it's called everyone chapter is completely different, a fact of life that some need to get over. No fraternity is globally identical and all the newer fraternities are just playing catchup to get their numbers big.

First off I would like to mention that the KA Society is by your definition legit in that it has 26 chapters and it is considered the first fraternity. Second just because somebody operates differently then you do doesn't mean they are a good organization. I would love to see where you see in an organizations rituals that allow the type of behavior you are condemning. And as for you making fun of new fraternities, SAM isn't even 100 years old yet.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

How many do they have? Since I remember doing the search and Delta Upsilon was the only ones with decent number of chapters left (as in the two digits at least).

Why does it matter? I thought your point was that numbers don't correllate to how strong a fraternity is (which most here would agree with).

But since you asked (and if two digits is your criteria of "legit"):

Some fraternities older than Sigma Chi (1855):

Kappa Alpha Society (1825): 14 active chapters
Sigma Phi (1827): 10 active chapters
Delta Phi (1827): 14 active chapters
Psi Upsilon (1833): 28 active chapters
Delta Upsilon (1834): 84 active chapters
Beta Theta Pi (1839): 118 active chapters and colonies
Chi Psi (1841): 29 active chapters
Delta Kappa Epsilon (1844): 66 active chapters
Theta Delta Chi (1847): 31 active chapters and colonies
Zeta Psi (1847): 47 active chapters
Phi Delta Theta (1848): 160 active chapters and colonies
Phi Gamma Delta (1848): 120 active chapters and colonies
Phi Kappa Psi (1852): 97 active chapters and colonies
Alpha Sigma Phi (1854): 68 cative chapters

(Members of these groups, correct me please if my numbers are wrong.)

Sorry I used google and found this thread. If it's not that important to you or if it makes you annoyed that I did so, just don't post. Don't be so immature about it.

Good grief. The one being immature here, if anyone is, is you. Before you post on a forum where you're new, you might want to take some time to get a feel for it. That you way, you might learn that you are likely to get some heat when you resurrect an old thread just to say "you people make me sick" and make points already made years ago.

Having pride in your organization doesn't mean Im bashing others. . . . If you seen some other organizations (not mentioning which) from what I heard about their rituals and how they operate, it's not nearly as legit. Some fraternities out there literally try to kill you or basically take advantage of you. Some don't make their rituals have meaning and some just love to fuck around with you or actually attempt manslaughter.

Not to mention that, according to you, the Sigma Chis at your school "don't develop character nor prove you fufill being a true man."

But you're not bashing other fraternities.

[SAM12588]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

First off I would like to mention that the KA Society is by your definition legit in that it has 26 chapters and it is considered the first fraternity. Second just because somebody operates differently then you do doesn't mean they are a good organization. I would love to see where you see in an organizations rituals that allow the type of behavior you are condemning. And as for you making fun of new fraternities, SAM isn't even 100 years old yet.

It surprises me how fellow greeks as yourself fail to understand where I am coming from. BTW it's SAM's 100 anniversary this year =)

I never said that other organizations are greater or less than Sigma Alpha Mu. I am just claiming that I have seen greatness in my organization and I am very proud of it. Your acting as I shouldn't have any right to say Sigma Alpha Mu is a great organization and the chapter I was in knew how to run things correctly.

I went to a small college, not a large one which is probably a huge factor. I am sure you have good organizations at large schools, but I have seen it to be more common at larger colleges for fraternities to actually haze and pretty much defile the entire concept of a fraternity. There are lots of people that take it too far. I am not saying you can't reproduce what SAM does, but some people think they do and they normally don't. A pure example of this is a college where SAM is at and it's not #1. Oh well, that's normal. Or a college that doesn't have SAM. Who cares?

My chapter works hard to be a good fraternity and produces results. Are you jealous because yours doesn't? I just don't understand why your acting all offended that my organization just happens to be the most dominant at my college. You don't see me getting mad if your organization was the best at your college.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

How many do they have?....

Fantastic, you like your fraternity. Congratulations to you. Still no reason to take shots at other fraternities, take shots at others' rituals (which, to be honest, you probably don't even know), or to post the rest of this garbage.

[SAM12588]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Why does it matter? I thought your point was that numbers don't correllate to how strong a fraternity is (which most here would agree with).

But since you asked (and if two digits is your criteria of "legit"):

Some fraternities older than Sigma Chi (1855):

Kappa Alpha Society (1825): 14 active chapters
Sigma Phi (1827): 10 active chapters
Delta Phi (1827): 14 active chapters
Psi Upsilon (1833): 28 active chapters
Delta Upsilon (1834): 84 active chapters
Beta Theta Pi (1839): 118 active chapters and colonies
Chi Psi (1841): 29 active chapters
Delta Kappa Epsilon (1844): 66 active chapters
Theta Delta Chi (1847): 31 active chapters and colonies
Zeta Psi (1847): 47 active chapters
Phi Delta Theta (1848): 160 active chapters and colonies
Phi Gamma Delta (1848): 120 active chapters and colonies
Phi Kappa Psi (1852): 97 active chapters and colonies
Alpha Sigma Phi (1854): 68 cative chapters

(Members of these groups, correct me please if my numbers are wrong.)

Good grief. The one being immature here, if anyone is, is you. Before you post on a forum where you're new, you might want to take some time to get a feel for it. That you way, you might learn that you are likely to get some heat when you resurrect an old thread just to say "you people make me sick" and make points already made years ago.

Not to mention that, according to you, the Sigma Chis at your school "don't develop character nor prove you fufill being a true man."

But you're not bashing other fraternities.

No offense, but it happens. I am sure there is a SAM chapter that sucks which I have seen. While Sigma Chi has good guys, I don't see any of them doing as much as SAMs do at my school and some of the things they have done, just show something isn't right.

And ok fair enough but still many go for Sigma Chi just because of the name and the alumni. When I rushed at my college, I rushed Sigma Chi because of the name. I didn't go with them in the end since I felt as I connected better with SAM.

Either way a Jewish only fraternity for half of it's fraternity life-span is naturally not going to have alot of chapters. Look at ZBT and AEP. They are pretty much on the same boat.

[SAM12588]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Fantastic, you like your fraternity. Congratulations to you. Still no reason to take shots at other fraternities, take shots at others' rituals (which, to be honest, you probably don't even know), or to post the rest of this garbage.

I'm not taking shots at their ritual but when you see people literally die going greek, do you think that's ok? I think not.

And sides, rituals are not all identical nationwide. Chapters most likely have to localize them usually depending on their location so don't think because I don't like a certain way a ritual is done (usually because it's flat out bad and isn't smart) doesn't mean I don't like anyone elses ritual.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

Some fraternities out there literally try to kill you or basically take advantage of you. Some don't make their rituals have meaning and some just love to fuck around with you or actually attempt manslaughter. You can't blame me for liking an organization that I feel like I can actually trust.

And you shouldn't blame me for thinking that. The fact that people still die in fraternity incidents is sad as hell.

Oh, you mean like this? http://www.topix.com/student-societi...for-four-years

I can use google, too.

Oh - there is a difference between "their", "there", and "they're". Usually I have to be paid to edit, but for you - free!

eta - Seriously, you need to dial down the rhetoric about other fraternities. We have enough non-Greeks being judgemental, drawing hasty conclusions and making gross generalizations. We don't need fellow Greeks doing the same.

[SAM12588]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Oh, you mean like this? http://www.topix.com/student-societi...for-four-years

I can use google, too.

Oh - there is a difference between "their", "there", and "they're". Usually I have to be paid to edit, but for you - free!

Hey I am well aware of that incident. That shit is tragic as hell. I hope the SAMs at that chapter get prison for life for disgracing it's good name. Since my chapter isn't stupid enough to do that shit and we look out for each other.

But hey w/e I'm going to be the courteous and kind SAM that I am and leave this topic be. Let the haters be mad at Sammy greatness. I really don't care. Maybe you should have spent your time making your organizations great and if they are, you should just enjoy it and let me enjoy my greatness. Im sure every fraternity out there can produce what my chapter produces and does so on at a daily basis. Awesome. Go greek. Stop being sore at me for not liking fucked up chapters in an organization. Everyone has them. Even SAM has them, oh well.

I just feel sorry that you can't be as proud of w/e org you got. Maybe one day you can stop caring about what everyone else says and does and maybe make great things come true yourself. Peace out, fast and firm 4 life!

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

Hey I am well aware of that incident. That shit is tragic as hell. I hope the SAMs at that chapter get prison for life for disgracing it's good name. Since my chapter isn't stupid enough to do that shit and we look out for each other.

But hey w/e I'm going to be the courteous and kind SAM that I am and leave this topic be. Let the haters be mad at Sammy greatness. I really don't care. Maybe you should have spent your time making your organizations great and if they are, you should just enjoy it and let me enjoy my greatness.

I just feel sorry that you can't be as proud of w/e org you got. Maybe one day you can stop caring about what everyone else says and does and maybe make great things come true yourself. Peace out, fast and firm 4 life!

The possesive form of "it" is "its", not "it's". Perhaps you should look into taking some English classes.

If I were a SAM, I'd be embarassed to call you brother. The funniest thing is you feel that you are representing your GLO well. No one here cares what your opinion is - they have just called out for being an ignorant, self-important hypocrite. We all are secure enough in our GLOs that we don't have to indulge in chest-thumping attacks on other GLOs.

If you really were as proud of SAM as you say you are, you wouldn't feel the need to bash other groups in some lame attempt at self-gratification. (insert Beavis and Butthead laugh here).

Oh, and I predict his "flounce" doesn't last. But a girl can dream.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

How many do they have? Since I remember doing the search and Delta Upsilon was the only ones with decent number of chapters left (as in the two digits at least).

Beta Theta Pi - 118 chapters

Phi Delta Theta - 160 chapters


"Decent" numbers, I think.

eta - This thread is missing a lolcat, er, dog.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

I'm not taking shots at their ritual but when you see people literally die going greek, do you think that's ok? I think not.

I feel pretty safe saying that no fraternity's ritual, including SAM's, condones hazing. much less death.

Originally Posted by SAM12588

But hey w/e I'm going to be the courteous and kind SAM that I am and leave this topic be. Let the haters be mad at Sammy greatness.

Wait, you've been courteous and we missed it? Dang!

No one is mad at "Sammy's greatness." I for one am glad you're proud of your fraternity -- every fraternity member should be.

But here's an idea: If you want to sound courteous, not to mention sound like you're not nursing a really sad inferiority complex, try talking up your fraternity without talking down other fraternities. Try telling us why you think SAM is great with comparing it to other fraternities.

[DEVODUDE]

BTW it's SAM's 100 anniversary this year

If no one here said it, then let me be the first to say....HAPPY 100th ANNIVERSARY TO SAM!!!!!

Either way a Jewish only fraternity for half of it's fraternity life-span is naturally not going to have alot of chapters. Look at ZBT and AEP. They are pretty much on the same boat.

And just an FYI...ZBT is not a Jewish only fraternity....it has been a nonsectarian fraternity for the last 20 years. I cannot say the same for AEPi. I am not familar with the composition of their brotherhood.

ZBT:"Honoring the Past, Celebrating the Present & Impacting the Future."

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I feel pretty safe saying that no fraternity's ritual, including SAM's, condones hazing. much less death.

Wait, you've been courteous and we missed it? Dang!

No one is mad at "Sammy's greatness." I for one am glad you're proud of your fraternity -- every fraternity member should be.

But here's an idea: If you want to sound courteous, not to mention sound like you're not nursing a really sad inferiority complex, try talking up your fraternity without talking down other fraternities. Try telling us why you think SAM is great with comparing it to other fraternities.

Yeah you should be proud without having to put down or even compare to other fraternities. Like the community service thing of your campus I think is great. But here is an example of a way you can be proud of your national org without mentioning any other org in particular.

"Psi Upsilon was a leader in the fraternity world. being the first fraternity to adapt features that became commonplace/ Examples are the first songboook, first fraternity history, first national convention, first alumni catalog and first fraternity newsletter."

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by SAM12588

Man some of you people make me sick. It's sad how people are so impressed with numbers and statistics instead of the real spirit of a fraternity.

The college I go to Sigma Alpha Mu is the best. We do the most on campus, we have some of the most quality guys, I wouldn't ever pick another fraternity if given another chance. I think some of the best experiences in college happened with them and I wouldn't ever take anything back.

There is TKE, Sigma Chi, KA, SAE and even at some point Kappa Sig. Kappa Sig's colony died. SAE doesn't compare to our chapter. TKE is good, they are great guys but the involvement we have with campus and the way we do things has been proven to be better.

Sigma Chi is brand new, they are doing good but in no way are they the same type of men as SAMS. The things they do don't develop character nor prove you fufill being a true man like a SAM. Maybe at other colleges its different. I dunno, I personally don't care because im not a Sigma Chi.

Pretty much every fraternity is good in specific colleges. PIKE is amazing I heard at FIU. PIKE got kicked out of UCF, potentially UF and even UWF. I think the award to the most hazing incidents ever was SAE. If you count the number they had it's probably the most. Either way, it happens. You have bad organizations, you have good.

Yes, you bashed other groups. Don't try to deny it or cover it up.. oh, wait, you already did that...

Originally Posted by SAM12588

Having pride in your organization doesn't mean Im bashing others. I love the TKEs, their like our brother fraternity at my school. I work with a KA and their tight too. That's not what I'm trying to say which again many are failing to miss the point. SAEs are basically our rivals since they crush us in greek week. Sigma Chi is very uprising and has big numbers which is good. These are facts that I am saying. Just because I said that SAM is the most involved on my campus doesn't mean the other organizations on my campus are bad nor does it mean that nobody else is good.

I think your "facts" from the first and second statements are completely different. But you were probably just trying to cover your ass. Understandable.

Originally Posted by SAM12588

Im just glad I found an organization that doesn't attempt to kill you but proves your manhood and makes you a better person.

What??

Originally Posted by SAM12588

I never said that other organizations are greater or less than Sigma Alpha Mu. I am just claiming that I have seen greatness in my organization and I am very proud of it. Your acting as I shouldn't have any right to say Sigma Alpha Mu is a great organization and the chapter I was in knew how to run things correctly.

My chapter works hard to be a good fraternity and produces results. Are you jealous because yours doesn't? I just don't understand why your acting all offended that my organization just happens to be the most dominant at my college. You don't see me getting mad if your organization was the best at your college.

Ugh. I have a headache. And I don't think I want to hear the word "great" ever again.

Originally Posted by SAM12588

No offense, but it happens. I am sure there is a SAM chapter that sucks which I have seen. While Sigma Chi has good guys, I don't see any of them doing as much as SAMs do at my school and some of the things they have done, just show something isn't right.

And ok fair enough but still many go for Sigma Chi just because of the name and the alumni. When I rushed at my college, I rushed Sigma Chi because of the name. I didn't go with them in the end since I felt as I connected better with SAM.

Do you have something against Sigma Chi? And just because you rushed them for superficial reasons, it doesn't mean that everyone else did so, too.

Originally Posted by SAM12588

But hey w/e I'm going to be the courteous and kind SAM that I am and leave this topic be. Let the haters be mad at Sammy greatness. I really don't care. Maybe you should have spent your time making your organizationsgreat and if they are, you should just enjoy it and let me enjoy my greatness. Im sure every fraternity out there can produce what my chapter produces and does so on at a daily basis. Awesome. Go greek. Stop being sore at me for not liking fucked up chapters in an organization. Everyone has them. Even SAM has them, oh well.

I just feel sorry that you can't be as proud of w/e org you got. Maybe one day you can stop caring about what everyone else says and does and maybe make great things come true yourself. Peace out, fast and firm 4 life!

Seriously, I don't think you use the word "great" enough.

I am a member of AST, one of the smallest NPC sororities. Here's how I could have approached the same topic and effectively made my point...

Even though AST is one of the smallest sororities nationally, it is an amazing organization. My chapter alone puts in countless hours of community service, and our members take part in numerous activities in addition to our studies. Speaking of which, we have a very high GPA, and we pride ourselves on the fact that we won the award at Convention for having the highest GPA out of all of the AST chapters! Even though AST isn't the largest sorority, it is definitely the best sorority for me.

And here's the statement I would make if I wished to have people here on Greekchat get mad at me, like they did with you...

AST is the best sorority on my campus. Everyone likes us... the guys, the professors... we are GREAT! The ASA's are ok, but they just don't live up to great ideals and values like we do. And the TPAs are close to getting kicked off campus because their not-so-great ritual is killing members! I know that other AST chapters aren't that great, but that's ok, because mine is the best, and being the best here is all I need! Because we're great.

Seeing the difference? I hope so. Oh, and take note of the GREAT spelling and grammar of all of the posters here. People might take you a little more seriously if you sound somewhat intelligent.