Physical appearances you refuse to date.

[DrPhil]

deltadevil <------- ------> logic, reasoning, and the point

[libramunoz]

Delta Devil,
You are assuming a lot to be a child of 19. Yes, you are legally an adult in the eyes of the law, however, by your comments, your thinking tends to be that of a child.

When you become grown, you have to learn how to dress for both your age and where you are working. I mean, I don't think that you would appreciate seeing one of your female professors dressing in a mini skirt and a tube top with high heeled shoes trying to teach you about philosophy. Again, it's a matter of being able to dress where you are working and your age.

At 19, yes, you may see some people dressing this way or that, but a) don't believe the hype and b) don't assume that this is what EVERYONE in that area does. Because ultimately, it will invaribly show your lack of common sense and your lack of maturity.

Yes it is letting kids dress how they want to dress, however, it goes back to HOME TRAINING! Just because your friends are dressing in XZY fashion doesn't mean that you HAVE TO as well.

When you step out of your home, the way that you dress does tend to reflect what is going on in YOUR home. If your parents don't care what you dress in or what you look like when leaving the house, then hey, believe me, folks do assume that your parents haven't given you ANY home training.

When I was growing up, we didn't have the most money in the neighborhood, but yet when I left that door, I was clean, had my clothes on right, and looked like I had some sense. When I moved to the country, we still didn't have the most money in the world, but yet, when I left the house, I was clean, my clothes were hole free, and I looked like I had sense.

The whole point is that in dressing, it reflects who you are and what you are WILLING to be about. Dressing to sag seems to reflect that you aren't about jack diddly squat and at 19, you SHOULD know better, but then that goes back to what's your HOME TRAINING?

[deltadevil]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

Delta Devil,
You are assuming a lot to be a child of 19. Yes, you are legally an adult in the eyes of the law, however, by your comments, your thinking tends to be that of a child.

When you become grown, you have to learn how to dress for both your age and where you are working. I mean, I don't think that you would appreciate seeing one of your female professors dressing in a mini skirt and a tube top with high heeled shoes trying to teach you about philosophy. Again, it's a matter of being able to dress where you are working and your age.

At 19, yes, you may see some people dressing this way or that, but a) don't believe the hype and b) don't assume that this is what EVERYONE in that area does. Because ultimately, it will invaribly show your lack of common sense and your lack of maturity.

Yes it is letting kids dress how they want to dress, however, it goes back to HOME TRAINING! Just because your friends are dressing in XZY fashion doesn't mean that you HAVE TO as well.

When you step out of your home, the way that you dress does tend to reflect what is going on in YOUR home. If your parents don't care what you dress in or what you look like when leaving the house, then hey, believe me, folks do assume that your parents haven't given you ANY home training.

When I was growing up, we didn't have the most money in the neighborhood, but yet when I left that door, I was clean, had my clothes on right, and looked like I had some sense. When I moved to the country, we still didn't have the most money in the world, but yet, when I left the house, I was clean, my clothes were hole free, and I looked like I had sense.

The whole point is that in dressing, it reflects who you are and what you are WILLING to be about. Dressing to sag seems to reflect that you aren't about jack diddly squat and at 19, you SHOULD know better, but then that goes back to what's your HOME TRAINING?

Well I dress like a "thug" but that doesnt mean i have bad home training. For a person who has never been in trouble for anything school and street wise, never been a drug dealer or a gang member shows that I have very good home training if you ask me. I dress in what i personally like. Im not a big fan of ties and suits therefore I dress in gym shoes pants that are a little bit baggy and t shirts. I have no problem with a parent putting some type of input on what a child wears, but they should also allow that child to pick out what they want to wear unless the child is mentally incapable of doing things on his or her own.

As for the part that i put in bold, I dont care what a person has on long as what they say is true or worth listening to. Clothing doesnt make up a persons knowledge on different subjects.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deltadevil

Well I dress like a "thug" but that doesnt mean i have bad home training. For a person who has never been in trouble for anything school and street wise, never been a drug dealer or a gang member shows that I have very good home training if you ask me. I dress in what i personally like. Im not a big fan of ties and suits therefore I dress in gym shoes pants that are a little bit baggy and t shirts. I have no problem with a parent putting some type of input on what a child wears, but they should also allow that child to pick out what they want to wear unless the child is mentally incapable of doing things on his or her own.

As for the part that i put in bold, I dont care what a person has on long as what they say is true or worth listening to. Clothing doesnt make up a persons knowledge on different subjects.

It doesn't matter if you don't really act like a thug. Your dressing like one will make society think you do.

Like everyone said, you're thinking like a 19 year old. I'm sure it'll change once you're older.

[deltadevil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

It doesn't matter if you don't really act like a thug. Your dressing like one will make society think you do.

Like everyone said, you're thinking like a 19 year old. I'm sure it'll change once you're older.

Maybe, but as of right now I dont see that happening

[libramunoz]

Believe me, if your philosophy professor showed up wearing a mini skirt and tube top, you WOULD'NT be able to LISTEN to HEAR her TALK! You'd be too busy wondering what crack did she SMOKE that morning!

Just because you're not a fan of wearing ties and suits doesn't mean that you cannot wear them! I'm not a fan of wearing dresses without having a full pair of pantyhoses on. But yet, I learn how to adjust to where I am and what I am doing as to what I am/am not willing to wear.

I once had a friend who kept trying to get me to wear a backless shirt--oh hell to the NO! I am a big girl--and I'm sorry, there are some things that shouldn't be seen and my back is one of them!

Again, it's about being able to adjust to where you are and what you are doing as to determine what it is that you should/shouldn't wear. I remember when I was in undergrad, outside of the dorm room, I never wore a pair of shorts on campus--and I went to school in Alabama! It's not that people on campus didn't I just didn't feel COMFORTABLE in them out of my dorm room.

I'm sorry, it's becoming apparent that you aren't a parent. There are some things that a parent should NOT let their child out of the house wearing! I'm sorry. As a parent, it is their responsibility to tell that child, hey, you aren't going anywhere looking like that with me! You aren't leaving the house looking like that! That is a parents right and role in being able to TEACH the child how to become AWARE of themselves, their surroundings, and their appearance!

Baggy pants and t-shirtrs and gym shoes shows a very ignant REFLECTION of you--despite what information you may have in your head! You could be Albert Einstein or Dr. King, however, many people aren't going to listen to WHAT YOU SAY first, they are going to JUDGE you first by what you are WEARING.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deltadevil

Maybe, but as of right now I dont see that happening

Because you're 19. LOL.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deltadevil

Maybe, but as of right now I dont see that happening

If that's the case, good luck having people take you seriously in the real world.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by deltadevil

Well I am 19 and I dont try to fit in with anybody, I dress based on what I like personally. And dressing in a suit doesnt mean that person is making nice money or working at a nice job. The managers at burger king dress in suits all the time. I just dont see why older people get mad to see a young person dressing in baggy clothes. You also say that "You have to dress up for You and not to impress everyone else." So do you basically dress in suits because you want to?

19....

That says a lot right there.

I know there were some styles that my generation dressed in when I was your age that made people have some not so flattering comments...and trust I am really in no mood to have the whole saggy assed pants debate short of saying, I think it's tacky, it looks unclean, lazy and slovely.

But...you do you...remember this thread is about Physical appearances and I think most of the women made it abundantly clear that they do NOT like the style nor do they find it attactive.

Something else you may want to consider.

The caliber of women you attract when in baggy clothes vs the women you attract when dressed otherwise.

And don't even push the argument about clothes doesn't equal intelligence because I think we all know that BUT what your style you choose can also say something about WHO YOU ARE.

A suit is just a start...it's too many baggy panted brothas out here I see and know who don't even OWN a suit and the last time they wore one was either Easter, to a funeral or to their sentencing...think about it.

Originally Posted by deltadevil

Well I dress like a "thug" but that doesnt mean i have bad home training.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If that's the case, good luck having people take you seriously in the real world.

^^^ Amen bruh...that right there is truth.

[libramunoz]

You don't see yourself dressing differently right now because you are still 19, however, when you graduate at 21 or 22 and are going for a job, you will see things in a different light.

Believe me, by the time you have an internship, you will LEARN the difference in needing to dress in a suit and tie.

When I was doing my internship, the school had a dress code! You couldn't dress any which-a-way you wanted too because you were also graded on how you dressed!

Believe me, your internship supervisor would call and talk to your professor on your dress and you'd have to come in and talk about it with the dean. If you failed to change, believe me, the dean of student affairs would get on your case.

Again, it's about being able to learn how to dress for where you are.

[deltadevil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If that's the case, good luck having people take you seriously in the real world.

Off of clothing though? Why not just take a person seriously based on what they have to say or what they do instead of the clothing. Im tired of this "the clothing makes the man" mentality, but o well in time we will see if what you say turns out to be true.

[DrPhil]

Not even ties and suits, knowing casual and business casual styles of dress would suffice for many settings.

LOL. I have seen men wear baggy dress clothes to church. As if their daily baggy routine was so awesome that it wouldn't be "keeping it real" to get over it for one day.

Gym shoes, Timbs, tshirts, and jeans are cool as long as you aren't recreating the hoodlum look. No one is saying that you have to feel stuffy in suits and trousers/slacks every day if your environments don't call for it.

Just know the difference or else you will be very limited in your social interactions and networking and career opportunities. You can still be black if you are upwardly mobile.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deltadevil

Off of clothing though? Why not just take a person seriously based on what they have to say or what they do instead of the clothing. Im tired of this "the clothing makes the man" mentality, but o well in time we will see if what you say turns out to be true.

Look up "cultural capital."

Then look up the relationships between cultural capital, human capital, and social capital.

[libramunoz]

It's true NOW!

Just look at your responses to people who are older than you! You are wanting to practically throw a temper tantrum because folks don't see things your way! That is the ACTION of a child!

Just like people have to take a "moment of reflection" or a "big girl/boy pill" it's time that you take your big boy pill right now!

You are on the verge of going into the---dare I say it---REAL WORLD! And I am SO sorry to burst your "happy bubble" but get with it son! You are judged by the WAY that you dress!

Simple fact of matter-get over it!

If you saw me now, you'd think this woman is sad, un happy, or just doesn't give a damn about the way that she dresses! And you'd be right with the last statement--I'm not working and so, I don't happen to dress in my work clothes for my daily living. However, when I am working, believe me, my clothes reflect that and people judge my ability to help them based on the way that I dress!

Get up, get a glass of water, take your big boy pill and stop whining about why you don't want to dress in a suit and tie!

[libramunoz]

Again, Delta Devil, your comment on the way of how "black people dress" around where you were is what's getting the flack!

Next time, before you post, think about what you are about to say!