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[tld221]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Exactly.

Which is part of why what she said was so inappropriate and rude.

I really think that any self-respecting chapter WOULDN'T call a PNM who refused a bid after what she said at pref night. Even if they really, really, really, really wanted her before.

but umm... what self-respecting chapter gives a bid to a girl after she says something like that at pref night? she shouldn't have been on their list at all if that's the case.

its like a guy asking a girl out, she says no, and then the guy goes off about how he never wanted to date her anyway. WTF, just because you didnt get what you wanted out of the deal?

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by tld221

but umm... what self-respecting chapter gives a bid to a girl after she says something like that at pref night? she shouldn't have been on their list at all if that's the case.

its like a guy asking a girl out, she says no, and then the guy goes off about how he never wanted to date her anyway. WTF, just because you didnt get what you wanted out of the deal?

You're not in an NPC are you? No biggie but that could be the cause of your misunderstanding.

Marissa's hands were tied. NPC regulations state that if a woman is invited back to preference night, she MUST appear somewhere on that chapter's bid list. Even if it is dead last.

AFAIK there is NO way to get out of this situation. Unless maybe a PNM murdered someone in the house on preference night or something. Which clearly didn't happen. LOL.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

You're not in an NPC are you? No biggie but that could be the cause of your misunderstanding.

Marissa's hands were tied. NPC regulations state that if a woman is invited back to preference night, she MUST appear somewhere on that chapter's bid list. Even if it is dead last.

AFAIK there is NO way to get out of this situation. Unless maybe a PNM murdered someone in the house on preference night or something. Which clearly didn't happen. LOL.

I am in NPHC, so yes, I'm sure I'm misunderstanding the situation from an NPC rules/rush standpoint.

Thanks for the explanation. So pref night, more or less, is like a 99.99% yes from the actives side, but still elusive from the PNM side. Its like your bid list before pref night would be a list of PNMs to vote yes on, and then after pref night, it's a matter of reordering the deck from "absolutely positively YES" to "meh, she's OK, well welcome Polly PNM if she shows up."

This is my interpretation as an outsider, and i understand if i've asked too much.

[ComradesTrue]

^^^ sort of.

Remember that NPC uses the quota system. It is a little misleading that it is called a "bid list" because not everyone on the list will necessarily get a bid from that chapter.

Let's say 100 PNMs attend a pref. They are then ranked 1-100. How this comes to be is private, but suffice it to say that there is an order. If panhellenic sets quota at 40, then if the top 40 people on the list all rank the chapter first, then only those 40 will get bids. This very rarely happens. Most chapters go further down their list, but typically not all the way to the bottom.

Therefore, if a PNM is ranked last, the odds are very slim that she will get a bid. The only way that she would get a bid is if (in the example above) 39 or fewer PNMs have matched with that chapter and it went all the way down the list.

This is why chapters must be very careful about who they invite to prefs. In the OP case, she did not make her very rude comment until pref... so the chapter probably got blindsided. As BG said, their hands were tied. Who knows where she fell on their list, but I would suspect that they would try to make it as low as possible.

Does that help?

[Steph888]

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[tld221]

Originally Posted by Blondie93

^^^ sort of.

Remember that NPC uses the quota system. It is a little misleading that it is called a "bid list" because not everyone on the list will necessarily get a bid from that chapter.

Let's say 100 PNMs attend a pref. They are then ranked 1-100. How this comes to be is private, but suffice it to say that there is an order. If panhellenic sets quota at 40, then if the top 40 people on the list all rank the chapter first, then only those 40 will get bids. This very rarely happens. Most chapters go further down their list, but typically not all the way to the bottom.

Therefore, if a PNM is ranked last, the odds are very slim that she will get a bid. The only way that she would get a bid is if (in the example above) 39 or fewer PNMs have matched with that chapter and it went all the way down the list.

This is why chapters must be very careful about who they invite to prefs. In the OP case, she did not make her very rude comment until pref... so the chapter probably got blindsided. As BG said, their hands were tied. Who knows where she fell on their list, but I would suspect that they would try to make it as low as possible.

Does that help?

Yes, that makes lots of sense! Thanks for that breakdown, even if it has been explained on here before. It's quite logical how it matches up. Is it explained that way to PNMs?

[agzg]

Originally Posted by tld221

Yes, that makes lots of sense! Thanks for that breakdown, even if it has been explained on here before. It's quite logical how it matches up. Is it explained that way to PNMs?

It depends on the campus, but in most cases, yes, and in the cases where it's not, it should be! That's why PNMs are bound to whatever chapter they're bid by if that chapter is on their preference card - they are, in effect, pre-signing their bid.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

It depends on the campus, but in most cases, yes, and in the cases where it's not, it should be! That's why PNMs are bound to whatever chapter they're bid by if that chapter is on their preference card - they are, in effect, pre-signing their bid.

ah - now i get it when you guys say "dont rank a house you absolutely wouldnt take a bid from." because if you put it down, even as absolute last, its almost as if you put it at the top. i surely hope its explained as simply as this, because it makes perfect sense. i know its a long week and the PNMs are young so it may go over their head, but i dont think it gets any simpler.

then i guess it gets sticky in the whole "being affiliated no matter what vs. not going greek at all" mess.

now tell me this. when a PNM is superawesome and would be a great addition to any house, i'd think shed be ranked on many houses' lists. I imagine this is how a PNM would get their least favorite house--the "top" houses would max out (ie. more PNMs ranked them #1 than quota allows) and each house after that would be maxed out until the PNM got to a house that had a spot. now whether she wants to be there (or the house wants her there) doesn't matter because this is how the matching works. so girls shouldnt take it personal that they got a bid to ABC house, one that the PNM didnt care too much for.

(im rambling and keeping the thread moving until we get an update)

[irishpipes]

Let's say quota is 40 and PNMs may attend a max of 3 pref parties. If super-awesome PNM is so super-awesome that all 3 chapters rank her in their top 40, she gets a bid to the chapter that SHE ranked #1. In this scenario she could not match to 2 or 3.

She would only match to chapter 2 or 3 if she was not in the top 40 of #1 AND #1 matched 40 before getting to her name on the list.

OR

if all 3 chapters reached 40 before getting to her name and she was placed in #1 as a quota addition.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Let's say quota is 40 and PNMs may attend a max of 3 pref parties. If super-awesome PNM is so super-awesome that all 3 chapters rank her in their top 40, she gets a bid to the chapter that SHE ranked #1. In this scenario she could not match to 2 or 3.

She would only match to chapter 2 or 3 if she was not in the top 40 of #1 AND #1 matched 40 before getting to her name on the list.

OR

if all 3 chapters reached 40 before getting to her name and she was placed in #1 as a quota addition.

Right, and only the 3 (or at some schools, 2) chapters that she attends for preference night will place this PNM on their lists at all. If she regretted/did not attend a group, they will not put her on their list.

She could, however, still possibly get a snap bid from a group whose preference she did not attend - but only if she was not matched at any of the houses that she attended at preference and ranked on her list.

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All these posts made me think she had updated!

[aprocess]

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Jessie from Serena. What did it say????

[myopicsunflower]

You are SO killing us here!

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I think you are trying to kill us.
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[oclady21]

i think this may have a very happy ending..


i'm crossing my fingers it does..