Favre finally calls it quits!!!

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by LPIDelta

Another Green Bay example--Reggie White. Retired and return a few seasons later to play for... the Titans?

This who Favre debacle is just.... ugh. They should have let him come back right away. But since they didn't, he should have been a big boy and buried the hatchet when he did have a chance to return. I mean, wasn't the point in returning to make it to one more Super Bowl? I guess I don't see the Jets as that kind of team (although improved, but not quite ready for prime time).

Just a big ol mess--and as I true Green Bay fan, very disappointing.

Actually, it was the Panthers; plus, White is, at the very least, just as well-known for his days in Philly: http://www.nfl.com/players/reggiewhi...e?id=WHI419940

[DaemonSeid]

Let's 'tackle' theseone at a time

Originally Posted by phimu88

Ok maybe the word MANY is a little exagerated, but her certainly isnt the first nor will he be the last. Ted Thompson's arrival at Green Bay was when his indecision to play at the end of each season began. He and TT have never liked each other and Brett has never felt lke TT wanted him to stay on board. With that said... I am not going to go look for a list of names because I have only had one cup of coffee and I am not up for it... but I remember a list being posted on a different site by someone and I was shocked there were many pro athletes who do change their mind return to the sport with a different team... but dont forget Lombardi himself retired from the Packers only to return to coach another team, Reggie White retired and came back and so did Michael Jordan a couple of times (ok basketball not football but still) ...

many is exagerated...plain and simple.

My whole point is this, Brett Favre is 'unique' because of what he put not just teh Packers thru these past few years but the entire NFL....

Plain and simple, if you are going to retire, sit out for a while and decide youthink you want to come back...fine.

But if every year for 3, 4, 5 years no one knows what you are going to do up until training camp in July and August, then it's a hassle because your team still has no idea of how to proceed!

Should I draft a QB this year? I dunno because we don't know what Favre is gonna do.

Should I start grooming this guy to take Favre's place? I dunno...because we DON'T KNOW what Favre is gonna do until 1/2 past July...

and think by the time Favre always tend to make up his mind, it's past the draft and any 1/2 way decent veteren QBs have been snapped up.....

It's an inconvenience for him to do this each season.


Again as stated before, when you mention Jordan and White...we aren't talking about guys who came out of retirement and inconveniencing a team.

I said it before in earler posts...anyone worth his salt knew that Jordan was coming back.

Reggie White came out due to need.

and honestly the only other person whose unretirement caused controversy was Magic Johnson's.....for obvious reasons....

Originally Posted by LPIDelta

They should have let him come back right away.

I don't fault the Green Bay organization...please check out what I just wrote....Favre should have had his mind made up in March....either play or stay retired or immediately ask to go somewhere else.

I have never been a Favre fan but you cannot doubt his ability...he can make a team good and I think he can get the Jets out of the rut that they have been in, but seriously, the man needs to make his mind up.

[phimu88]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It IS ridiculous because of what he has pout Green Bay thru these last few years....every year for awhile there has been a Favre watch...will he or won't he....will he or won't he and after awhile it became a beautiful car wreck that is bound to be repeated come next year should this one be a successful one.


And please......since you emphasized "Many"....please make a list....how many players at or near Favre's caliber contemplated retirement or actually retired only to come back?

....

BTW...

there are very few players at or even near his caliber.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by phimu88

BTW...

there are very few players at or even near his caliber.

that is exactly my point...you learn fast!!!!


When someone of HIS CALIBER decides to leave and come back...it's not good for the person playing that position


See Aaron Rodgers.



Think: What if Joe Montana still wanted to play...well we saw what happened with that...

What if John Elway still wanted to play and kept changing his mind?

And so on....think of what may happen once Peyton starts getting close to ending his career...Colts are gonna have to groom someone other than Jim Sorgi

Think about what happened in New England all those years ago with a then unknown 6th rounder named Brady came in and ran Drew Bledsoe out of town...

When you have guys of that caliber that still wanna play...MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

[phimu88]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

.

My whole point is this, Brett Favre is 'unique' because of what he put not just teh Packers thru these past few years but the entire NFL....

Plain and simple, if you are going to retire, sit out for a while and decide youthink you want to come back...fine.

But if every year for 3, 4, 5 years no one knows what you are going to do up until training camp in July and August, then it's a hassle because your team still has no idea of how to proceed!

Should I draft a QB this year? I dunno because we don't know what Favre is gonna do.

Should I start grooming this guy to take Favre's place? I dunno...because we DON'T KNOW what Favre is gonna do until 1/2 past July...

and think by the time Favre always tend to make up his mind, it's past the draft and any 1/2 way decent veteren QBs have been snapped up.....

It's an inconvenience for him to do this each season.


Again as stated before, when you mention Jordan and White...we aren't talking about guys who came out of retirement and inconveniencing a team.

I said it before in earler posts...anyone worth his salt knew that Jordan was coming back.

Reggie White came out due to need.

and honestly the only other person whose unretirement caused controversy was Magic Johnson's.....for obvious reasons....





I don't fault the Green Bay organization...please check out what I just wrote....Favre should have had his mind made up in March....either play or stay retired or immediately ask to go somewhere else.

I have never been a Favre fan but you cannot doubt his ability...he can make a team good and I think he can get the Jets out of the rut that they have been in, but seriously, the man needs to make his mind up.

ok ...

first it is hardly Brett Favre's fault that the "entire NFL" is effected by his inability to decide if he wants to retire or not during an off season and I defininatley think that is a total exageration on your part. The MEDIA may be obsessed by it but it doesnt effect the entire NFL.

What difference does it make if he retires and changes his mind 4 months later or changes it 1, 2 or 3 seasons from now? He is almost 39 years old, he doesnt have time to sit it out for a year or more. He realized that this summer and decided that his days were numbered to play football and he decided not to let these last few hoorahs slip past him.

As far as "should I draft a QB or not this year" TT took care of that years ago when he first wanted Brett to retire and has made it pretty clear at the end of every season that he doesnt really want Brett there anymore. Aaron has been there as #2 being groomed so that wasnt an issue.

You can say that anyone worth his salt knew that Jordan was coming back, but I say that anyone worth their salt knew Brett Favre would be back. My husband laughed at him during his retirement speech and said he will be back by July. There is no way he is done. !/2 the people I talked to pretty much said the same thing. So whats the difference.

oh and here is one list I googled, but there was a bigger one somewhere.

oops sorry that was the wrong list ... I will try to find it later I have to give the dog a bath lol

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by phimu88

ok ...

first it is hardly Brett Favre's fault that the "entire NFL" is effected by his inability to decide if he wants to retire or not during an off season and I defininatley think that is a total exageration on your part. The MEDIA may be obsessed by it but it doesnt effect the entire NFL.

What difference does it make if he retires and changes his mind 4 months later or changes it 1, 2 or 3 seasons from now? He is almost 39 years old, he doesnt have time to sit it out for a year or more. He realized that this summer and decided that his days were numbered to play football and he decided not to let these last few hoorahs slip past him.

As far as "should I draft a QB or not this year" TT took care of that years ago when he first wanted Brett to retire and has made it pretty clear at the end of every season that he doesnt really want Brett there anymore. Aaron has been there as #2 being groomed so that wasnt an issue.

You can say that anyone worth his salet knew that Jordan was coming back, but I say that anyone worth their salt knew Brett Favre would be back. My husband laughed at him during his retirement speech and said he will be back by July. There is no way he is done. !/2 the people I talked to pretty much said the same thing. So whats the difference.

oh and here is one list I googled, but there was a bigger one somewhere.

We all know that Brett Favre will play his first game as a New York Jet this week and the shock of seeing him in a non-Packers jersey will be a bit frightening (as was seeing Jason Taylor in Redskins garb). Still, it isn't like we haven't seen this before from our recently great players.

QB-Brett Favre (Jets)
RB-Emmitt Smith (Cardinals)
RB-Thurman Thomas (Dolphins)
WR-Jerry Rice (Seahawks)
WR-Chris Carter (Dolphins)
WR-Tim Brown (Buccaneers)
OT-Tony Boselli (Texans ... even though he didn't play)
OT-Richmond Webb (Bengals)
OG-Randal McDaniel (Buccaneers)
OG-Bill Fralic (Lions)
C-Mike Webster (Chiefs)


Continue Reading Brett Favre Joins the 'Great Players Who End Career In Weird Jerseys' Team*

cool...now we agree on exaggerations...heh!

ok....

1. He realized that a number of summers ago that he knew his days were numbered and the Pack should have traded him then...but no...somehow Favre managed to work his voodoo and stay there.

2. If you look at the beginning of this thread...remember I myself said he would be back...thus that point was pointless.

3. All of those players you listed with the exception of Favre DID NOT retire and come back....they got traded.

Emmitt Smith - retired after Arizona opted to not pick him up

Thurman Thomas retired due to injury

Jerry Rice - bounced from the Niners...played in the Disaster Bowl (Super Bowl XXXVII) and lost to the Bucs....played a season with the Seahawks and since no one picked him up...also retired.


Cris Carter and tim Brown - ditto...tried to get with other clubs but due to age...just didn't make the cut

Tom Boselli retired due to injury...

The last 3 guys aren't even in the same category as the above listed players and no where near Favre....

that list is a list of players and how thier careers ended....you were doing better when you had Reggie White on that list....but still not in the same ballpark with favre and his flip flopping.

[phimu88]

I know I deleted that list when I realized it was not from the same thread I read it on a few weeks ago. Sorry that was not the list I meant to fpost. Anyway, I stated there are few players at the level of play Brett is and of course I can not produce that sort of list because it is just impossible, but many pro athletes do retire and change their mind to come back.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by phimu88

I know I deleted that list when I realized it was not from the same thread I read it on a few weeks ago. Sorry that was not the list I meant to fpost. Anyway, I stated there are few players at the level of play Brett is and of course I can not produce that sort of list because it is just impossible, but many pro athletes do retire and change their mind to come back.

not really and we will continue to argue this point all day (at least til you come up with a list proving this)


so ....I will retire from this line of conversation and elect to exercise the right to unretire myself should this thread gets more interesting)

[phimu88]

lol I will look for the list.
If you were a Favre fan you would feel passionately about this too, but admittedly you cant stand the man, so you wouldnt see his side of things. People either love him or hate him, I havent met many who could care less, except my mother.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by phimu88

lol I will look for the list.
If you were a Favre fan you would feel passionately about this too, but admittedly you cant stand the man, so you wouldnt see his side of things. People either love him or hate him, I havent met many who could care less, except my mother.

I see his side of things I just think that this is a detriment on his legacy...


Try this...

If these guys did the same thing....there would be similar blow back

1. Michael Strahan

2. Tiki Barber

3. Steve McNair ( and some of us Ravens fans are kind of hot about this because he waited so late!) especially if he still expected to start.



ETA: it's not many players that retire at the top of their game and have the option to come back because they STILL got game...therefore when you have players like Favre who never seem to quit....it's a circus.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It IS ridiculous because of what he has pout Green Bay thru these last few years....every year for awhile there has been a Favre watch...will he or won't he....will he or won't he and after awhile it became a beautiful car wreck that is bound to be repeated come next year should this one be a successful one.

Seriously? What did Favre actually "put them" (meaning the front office) through?

The team has to draw up two contingency plans, sure - one with Favre and one without. That is not exactly rocket science. All the cap issues are the same, there isn't any real downside (two NFL-caliber starters is a "problem" anyone would love to have), and the team had every opportunity to sign a new starter to take his place and make the whole thing moot from 2004 to today.

His teammates don't care - see Al Harris's "I'm a captain, and I speak for the team - we'd welcome him back with open arms" speech - and the "media circus" lasts, what, 3 weeks during training camp? Seriously. Camp. Not even the voluntary offseason activities, that are way more important for implementing a system.

Add to this the exceptional amount of money and prestige that Favre has brought to the organization, and the front office comes out WAY on top in this deal, regardless of the "will he/won't he" thing. Indeed, the same thing that made him a great quarterback makes it hard for him to retire.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Seriously? What did Favre actually "put them" (meaning the front office) through?

The team has to draw up two contingency plans, sure - one with Favre and one without. That is not exactly rocket science. All the cap issues are the same, there isn't any real downside (two NFL-caliber starters is a "problem" anyone would love to have), and the team had every opportunity to sign a new starter to take his place and make the whole thing moot from 2004 to today.

His teammates don't care - see Al Harris's "I'm a captain, and I speak for the team - we'd welcome him back with open arms" speech - and the "media circus" lasts, what, 3 weeks during training camp? Seriously. Camp. Not even the voluntary offseason activities, that are way more important for implementing a system.

Add to this the exceptional amount of money and prestige that Favre has brought to the organization, and the front office comes out WAY on top in this deal, regardless of the "will he/won't he" thing. Indeed, the same thing that made him a great quarterback makes it hard for him to retire.

Looks like they finally wised up this year and went with the "without Favre " Plan eh?

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=98147

No biggie - it happens to the best of us.

Oh I know why I didn't find it doing a search---I only searched in the entertainment forum because I thought sports discussions go in entertainment.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Looks like they finally wised up this year and went with the "without Favre " Plan eh?

Yeah - and they went 13-3 last year with the "other" plan, and will be insanely lucky to go 8-8 this year with the "without" plan.

So yeah - is the "circus" worth FIVE wins?

[DaemonSeid]

It would have been worth it 3 or 4 years ago.....think about it....how many playoffs and Super Bowls has Favre gotten them to every since the R word started getting tossed around? If Last season was like the 06 season, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.


Since their last Super Bowl in 97...... 5 or 6 playoff appearances and MOST of those are Wild Card wins.....