So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Because you all seem to be the ones affected by this. We are not. And have you not read anything I have said? We have are own programmatic thrusts targeted to the Black community. We set our service calendars at the beginning of our program year, and trust they are full. And in most cases not conducive to adding anything later on that is not part of our focus for the sororal/fraternal year. The last part of the previous sentence is the KEY.

Aint that the truth! When I was in school, we planned our whole calendar for the coming year at the end of the spring semester. We never did programs on whimsy. Come to think of it, we never did joint programs with any other groups except a mixer with the Omegas when I was in school.

ETA: That mixer wasn't "just for fun" either--admission was school supplies that were donated to an elementary school.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So they are campus organizations on multiple campuses? Using St. Louis as an example, they'd be a campus organization at Harris Stowe, SLU, and Wash U, instead of being a city-wide St. Louis chapter. I think I follow. Then the last SLU XYZ graduates and *poof* no more XYZ at SLU so they're removed from the roster. Then as non-campus organizations they can't advertise, etc. Holy Death Spiral Batman!

On one hand I can see the school's point, how is this a campus organization if there are no students involved in it? On the other hand I see how the chapter is getting shafted by the policy. And it's almost certainly not a scenario the institution or the student government envisioned when they set the policies in the first place. (And those tend to be focused on liability issues more than anything else).

Thanks for the info. Just when I think I'm getting to know this Greek business, I learn more

Right!

The school does have a point but it's really hard to maintain members at schools where they were struggling for members in the first place, the students there won't attend programs, etc. Sometimes the campus even takes it upon itself to decide it no longer wants the organization there (often not for liability reasons, either) and works towards that by refusing to let the group reserve rooms for programs and post informational fliers. Whenever there's a policy, there's a way to get shafted by it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

And neither do we.

Neither do we because everything fits into a programmatic thrust.

There's a difference between NHQ providing program initiatives (based on need and demand from the community and our chapters) and people being forced to only do THAT.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Of course we are. When we have our Chapter of Excellence reports at our schools, they tell us, "Why don't you do things with minority GLOs?" They ask us, "Why is your chapter 90% white?" [I go to a school with [I'd guess] about 95% WASPs.] We are being constantly told that we need to do as much as possible with NPHC groups, and our status as affiliated members on our campus can be affected by this. Yet, despite the fact that we try, we cannot gain any ground.

LOL.

This is that superficial diversity initiative and quota bullcrap that I referenced earlier. If there is no genuine interest, don't bother. Because many NPHCers can tell the difference between nonNPHCers who sincerely want to work with us and nonNPHCers who are afraid their membership is at stake.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

ok now i have an opinion. i know it's not like this on every campus, but here's my gripe. sure, NPC/IFC and NPHC have separate events. duh. but tell me why not a DAMN group wants to have just one event per semester that incorporates everyone. i'm trying to plan unity day for october 24th (and have been since before the semester started) but no one from any org seems to be interested in getting together. nooooo onnnnneeeee. arg. not asking advice; just a comment. i'm very frustrated

Unity is a process.

That goes for every type of unity there is. You don't have separation and then think people are going to give a darn enough to plan an event together. If you didn't start the process before the end of September, you might not get any response from people.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Right!

The school does have a point but it's really hard to maintain members at schools where they were struggling for members in the first place, the students there won't attend programs, etc. Sometimes the campus even takes it upon itself to decide it no longer wants the organization there (often not for liability reasons, either) and works towards that by refusing to let the group reserve rooms for programs and post informational fliers. Whenever there's a policy, there's a way to get shafted by it.

Believe me I'm aware of the plethora of ways that student orgs can get shafted. It's an interesting dilemma and not one that I see an easy solution to, except perhaps with schools that allow non-campus based orgs access... or something.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

LOL.

This is that superficial diversity initiative and quota bullcrap that I referenced earlier. If there is no genuine interest, don't bother. Because many NPHCers can tell the difference between nonNPHCers who sincerely want to work with us and nonNPHCers who are afraid their membership is at stake.

Honestly, I agree. I'm not aware of our chapter ever being required to have diversity quotas or diverse activity quotas or whatever. The reason I think it is something to be worked toward is because a lack of (constructive) contact with each other means there's a lot of ignorance. Greater contact = Greater knowledge/understanding. I think it would mean that NPC/IFC doesn't just see NPHC as good at stepping and NPHC wouldn't only see NPC/IFC social events.

[faireststar]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZO6jRYUXdo

cute. Interesting. that is all.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

I think you misunderstand. What we wanted to do was something FUN. Like, for example, a simple social or mixer where we could do something fun, hang out, and get to know each other. I have no idea what such a thing may be; I'm not the social chair in my chapter, and that's not my responsibility. But I'm not talking about anything big.

PrettyinPink:

Your recommendation was welcomed! I think we will just have to go with it; if we just can't get a response, maybe that is just a sign that they are not interested. I would like to do something, but I'm not going to [nor can I] force them to show up.

No, I understood what you meant. And I will say again, all Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. undergraduate chapters must have their "official" activities approved by the Graduate Advisor(s) and the Graduate Advisory Council. Those are in my Sorority's internal documents.

If you want to hangout and it is not a school night, then by all means go to a "Gameworks", "Dave and Busters" or "Jillians" for a fun day or your campus' recreational center.

The key is the professors at my graduate school started providing extra credit if students attended the seminars presented by the Undergrad Chapters. Most seminars are on simple stuff like avoiding alcohol infractions and police interactions; date-rape; breast cancer, etc. The afterward, the undergrads would hangout somewhere.

I KNOW this because I was graduate advisor. I am telling you these are our rules...