advice needed

[UGAalum94]

I think all Greek Life offices at schools where recs are the norm should go to saying, "All girls participating in recruitment are encouraged to secure personal recommendations to each of the groups."

Girls who didn't get their own recs get bids every year, I think, at all the SEC schools. But that doesn't mean that recs weren't submitted on their behalf by alumnae who knew them who either took the initiative or were asked by the chapter.

Zillini, thanks for the info.

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

I think all Greek Life offices at schools where recs are the norm should go to saying, "All girls participating in recruitment are encouraged to secure personal recommendations to each of the groups."

From the Auburn Panhellenic website:

In 1992, the National Panhellenic Conference passed a resolution addressing letters of recommendation. The resolution, in part, states: "The responsibility of providing letters of recommendation for potential members rests with the members of NPC fraternities and recruitment information distributed through College and Alumnae Panhellenics shall contain nothing that infers letters of recommendation must be secured by the potential member."

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OTW

From the Auburn Panhellenic website:

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You are right; it doesn't look like they can.

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

You are right; it doesn't look like they can.

I totally didn't know that until I visited the Auburn website recently.

It's unfortunate how lots of PNMs get screwed over just because of this resolution.

[UGAalum94]

I'd like to think that the resolution actually means that the groups secure recs on every girl.

Even at the 1200+ recruitments, I think they try, but they just can't do it. Some years it proves impossible to find someone who knows every PNM in the time frame that the membership folks have to look.

[AUThetaChi]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

I was wondering the same thing. From what I've read, our Auburn chapter seems pretty strong...I recall they got quota + last year as well as this year, don't know the numbers for the years prior.

One thing to remember is that GPhiB started its Auburn chapter sometime around 1995 so it is still new, relatively speaking. I understand that they are doing just fine now. DG is even newer, having returned a few years ago after a 30-year hiatus. They seem to be doing well too.

[Bamarox]

The reality of big university rush is many chapters automatically cut everyone without a reference after the first round. It is a simple way to make a cut from 1400 to 700.

[auburnmom2007]

so give this "stupid" mom the information that will allow my child to participate in something she really wants to be a part of in college. she sure didnt realize how important this would be to her until she shared the short time with "sisters" of different sororities.

[PenguinTrax]

Tell her to attend any COB opportunity that she can, take time to look at all the available chapters with an open mind and keen eye, research the nationals and chapters to learn as much as she can about them, and then just sit back and enjoy herself. Get to know the members in the more relaxed COB atmosphere and hopefully she will find her 'home' without even trying to find it.

[sageofages]

Originally Posted by OSU Maman

I think people need to realize that not all of us have been surrounded by or exposed to Greek life.

If I saw something that said recs were "not necessary, " then I would believe that statement (after finding out what a rec was-lol). It should not be assumed that people would know that even though stated that it's not necessary, you should get one anyway.

I am very sorry for your daughter, and hope that things work out for her some way.

My daughter will be attending Ohio State University. Recruitment doesn't take place until after Christmas. I understand that (or at least I thought I did) recs are not needed like they are at an SEC school. If someone has knowledge to the contrary, please let me know. Or should my daughter ask this question when she has her Welcome Week activities (where they will meet some of the people from Greek life)?

Thanks!

Oh yes, definitely at THE Ohio State University...get recs. While not as crazed as the SEC for recs...they play a BIG role even at THE OSU.

[tennesseemom]

In the perfect world, the PNM is not supposed to know that an alum is writing a rec for her. It is supposed to be the alum, who knows and loves the girl who wants to write a rec. About 10-15 years ago it did get crazy at Auburn, that everyone HAD to have a rec, although"technically" the chapter would secure a rec if the PNM didn't have one. bottom line, the PNM is relying on young women, who are anxious to see their boyfriends, to call the alumni chapter of the hometown of the PNM, and get a rec. Is this possible? Yes, do these PNM get left out? Yes! Many times the PNM will be cut the first day, simply as a way of slimming the numbers down, and it is an easy way to do it. We must as alums make sure if we know of a PNM going through rush, that we inform her mother to get at least one rec for every sorority on campus! It is technically not the rule, but it is STRONGLY advised!

[MaggieXi]

Originally Posted by auburnmom2007

so give this "stupid" mom the information that will allow my child to participate in something she really wants to be a part of in college. she sure didnt realize how important this would be to her until she shared the short time with "sisters" of different sororities.

I do not think your "stupid", but I am not understanding why your posts seem to be so hostile towards the members of this community. We have been trying to give you helpful information.

Here are some ideas you may want to pass along: 1. Get good grades and keep them up. A strong GPA is helpful. Most of the sororities have a higher GPA than the non-greek population at most schools. 2. Get to know actives in all the chapters. 3. Get involved in other organizations (SGA, Habitat, intramurals, etc.) 4. Get Recs to all the chapters written by people who have met your daughter. 5. Do not bash, be sarcastic, condescending, etc. towards the greek community. Some greek organizations have something called a "No Rec". While not used unless absolutely necessary, it does happen.

[NOLA25]

My daughter just went through recruitment at Alabama. Before pref night, each PNM was given a booklet (Preference Primer). It states if you are invited to one pref party and you place one choice on your pref card, you have maximized your options and you will receive a bid from that chapter. If you are invited to two pref parties and you place those two choices on your pref card, you will receive a bid from one of those two chapters. If your are invited to 3 pref parties and and you place those three choices on your pref card, you will receive a bid from one of those chapters. You are guaranteed a bid if you have maximized your options in any of these situations.

[auburnmom2007]

to all whom have made any post please accept my humble apology if i seem hostile towards anyone here or wherever you may be...that is not my agenda in joining this community. please all understand i am trying to understand "why" or how this went so wrong (or possibly right) for my daughter i am only concerned for her well being. i have asked for advice and received a lot of useful insights. A great big THANK YOU to all here. My daughter is home and has read most of these posts. do we need recs for COB?

[Low C Sharp]

information distributed through College and Alumnae Panhellenics shall contain nothing that infers letters of recommendation must be secured by the potential member

First of all, NPC, you meant imply, not infer.

Second of all, university Greek life offices are not bound by NPC rules. They can tell PNMs the truth, and they have no excuse if they don't.

Third of all, if NPC thinks it's a bad thing that PNMs at some schools have to secure recs themselves, the solution is to change the REALITY, not to forbid people from telling the truth about reality. Either all the NPCs at that meeting in 1992 were represented by members who have no idea how things work at big SEC-type campuses (not plausible) or they actually imposed a national policy of hiding the truth.
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