Michael Richards aka "Kramer" racist?

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by smiley21

Even though I am black and offended, I am still wondering where he comments came from. He does feel some hate towards black or at the very least- doesn't think much of them to begin with. This was just the platform that he true feelings came out. Whatever the case, he does have some problems and should get help.

I agree, racist or not, people usually don't go off like that.

[smiley21]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Hahah, Ok.....some of you are ridiculous. I don't care if some of you have never used the word and blah blah blah. The fact is........the use of the word n***** is perpetuated by blacks far too often. Turn on the TV for God's sake, listen to rap, walk down the street. I probobly here "what up nigga" more during the day than I do anything else.....and it isn't coming from a bunch of white guys.

I am fully aware of what's out there. I do not need you to point it out. Just because they say does not make it right. The N word should not be used period. You are right, blacks do say the word. I just did not like the fact that you said that too few blacks don't.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Hahah, Ok.....some of you are ridiculous. I don't care if some of you have never used the word and blah blah blah, my comments weren't aimed at you personally, rather on a grand scheme of things. The fact is........the use of the word n***** is perpetuated by blacks far too often. Turn on the TV for God's sake, listen to rap, walk down the street. I probobly here "what up nigga" more during the day than I do anything else.....and it isn't coming from a bunch of white guys.

....on a side note, I just listened to his apology, and I thought he sounded extremely sincere and apologetic. He was visibly shaken up. He obvioulsy didn't appreciate the audience laughing at him one bit during his apology. I think he did it on Letterman because Seinfeld was on there and because he knew a bunch of people would be watching the show. Whoever said he shouldn't have apologized, that is rather idiotic.

This is the second time you've done this. I have to say something: The word is spelled IMPROBABLE/PROBABLE buddy.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Reds6

So when I grew up in NC and heard white people calling lower income white people white trash, than this is ok to use and say? I hear the term White Trash or PWT so much on tv and inthe media, it doesn't make it right to either.

When did I ever say anything about something being ok to say? Don't think I did. Thanks.

......please don't sit here and try to tell me that words like "white trash" are used on the same level as the other. That is ridiculous. I don't know what TV you watch....but I can't remember when I heard the term "white trash" being used regularly in the media or outside of it.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

This is the second time you've done this. I have to say something: The word is spelled IMPROBABLE/PROBABLE buddy.

Thanks "sport".......perhaps i'll send you all of my posts pre-reply button so you can proof read. I know that it is imperative that we use and exhibit perfect grammatical skills on this highly esteemed internet message board.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by smiley21

I am fully aware of what's out there. I do not need you to point it out. Just because they say does not make it right. The N word should not be used period. You are right, blacks do say the word. I just did not like the fact that you said that too few blacks don't.

Sure, I didn't say that....but I am well aware that there are well spoken black men that don't use that term. You don't have to point that out.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

This is the second time you've done this. I have to say something: The word is spelled IMPROBABLE/PROBABLE buddy.

Actually considering he was trying to spell 'probably', I'll go out on a limb and say that you're wrong here. Oh and for the record, I use the term white trash, chav, redneck, hick etc. quite a bit. I'm not really sure how that was brought up, but I don't find those terms offensive or comparable to the N-bomb.

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by macallan25

When did I ever say anything about something being ok to say? Don't think I did. Thanks.

......please don't sit here and try to tell me that words like "white trash" are used on the same level as the other. That is ridiculous. I don't know what TV you watch....but I can't remember when I heard the term "white trash" being used regularly in the media or outside of it.

And we know you are the measure for all that happens and exist. Your experiences don't dictate all of americas. You claim to hear the N-word on a daily basis and say most blacks use the term, when you have heard several blacks on here say we don't, but are quick to discount our exeperience. I grew up hearing White trash and PWT all of the time and matter of fact just heard on TV the other night if not last night. The term was used to demean a group of people such as the n-word. Heck I've heard whites say being PWT is the same as being a n-word.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by macallan25

When did I ever say anything about something being ok to say? Don't think I did. Thanks.

......please don't sit here and try to tell me that words like "white trash" are used on the same level as the other. That is ridiculous. I don't know what TV you watch....but I can't remember when I heard the term "white trash" being used regularly in the media or outside of it.

Oh, but I could have SWORN you pointed out that the black man in the audience used the word cracker and you thought that was just as bad:

Um, let's see "Pretty bad.....bud it wasn't any better for the guys to call him a "cracker ass mother fucking white boy."

Ahh, yes, you DID say that. So now what are you saying? Changing your perspective to fit the argument, ey?

And I guess perhaps YOU need to turn on the tv and watch something other then BET to get yourself all rowled up and mad at black people and watch some of the other media because white trash and poor white trash is thrown around quite often by white toward other whites and if you think otherwise, again, you are not nearly as exposed as necessary to credible if you are going to participate in discussions like this.

[smiley21]

Originally Posted by macallan25

When did I ever say anything about something being ok to say? Don't think I did. Thanks.

......please don't sit here and try to tell me that words like "white trash" are used on the same level as the other. That is ridiculous. I don't know what TV you watch....but I can't remember when I heard the term "white trash" being used regularly in the media or outside of it.

It is not always said, but the image is always out there in the media. Take country music for example. Some artists glorify being "white trash" or "redneck", but other white people would HATE being called that or hearing the terms used from another race. So what is everyone else supposed to think? Is it okay or not? The same thing goes with the N word. The point is every ethinicity has a side that its people don't want to be completely represented by.

[southernelle25]

Even if you could explain away or justify his use of the n-word, there is no excuse or justification for the reference to lynching.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Actually considering he was trying to spell 'probably', I'll go out on a limb and say that you're wrong here. Oh and for the record, I use the term white trash, chav, redneck, hick etc. quite a bit. I'm not really sure how that was brought up, but I don't find those terms offensive or comparable to the N-bomb.

Since you went out on the limb, let me correct YOU. In the first post where he made the spelling error, he used the term "improbable". Sorry YOU took offense to my decision to correct HIM.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

What?



And as I said to him and am now saying to you in response to THE QUESTION: this is not the situation we are dealing with here so what is the point of even bringing that crazy and rather impractical situation up? You said that the towns in your state are ass backwards which would indicate that something like that happening would not be normal or common with relation to other towns in your and other states that are not ass backwards. The situation here is very specific. I'm referring to what Michael Richards said, not some nameless, faceless, person who woulda coulda said something in an arbitrary scenario.

Re what - I'm saying that just because macallan has said some things that apparently make you think he doesn't have a high opinion of blacks, concentrate on what's being asked, not who's asking it. For instance, if greeklawgirl or KSigRC asked it, would you respond the same way? I don't know how to make that clearer.

And he was asking a hypothetical inspired by the situation, you are dealing with the Michael Richards situation only. 2 different things. As for why he brought it up, that's a question to him, not me.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Reds6

And we know you are the measure for all that happens and exist. Your experiences don't dictate all of americas. You claim to hear the N-word on a daily basis and say most blacks use the term, when you have heard several blacks on here say we don't, but are quick to discount our exeperience. I grew up hearing White trash and PWT all of the time and matter of fact just heard on TV the other night if not last night. The term was used to demean a group of people such as the n-word. Heck I've heard whites say being PWT is the same as being a n-word.

I am not claiming anything....stop putting fucking words in my mouth. I never discounted anyone's "experience." That is why I said, more than once, that I was referring to the use of the word on a much wider scale, not so much at the personal level. I am glad that the 4 or 5 people who said they don't use that word spoke up.....thats great. I'm happy for yall.

I am white......and I don't think it is as bad as calling a black man a n***** at all, period.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Re what - I'm saying that just because macallan has said some things that apparently make you think he doesn't have a high opinion of blacks, concentrate on what's being asked, not who's asking it. For instance, if greeklawgirl or KSigRC asked it, would you respond the same way? I don't know how to make that clearer.

And he was asking a hypothetical inspired by the situation, you are dealing with the Michael Richards situation only. 2 different things. As for why he brought it up, that's a question to him, not me.

This clarifcation was clear enough. You're first post was not. In response to this one, I will repond to him the way I see fit, thank you very much.

And if its two different things, which was my point exactly, why would you feel the need to opine and attempt to clarify HIS point? You obviously saw some correlation between the Richards comments and his hypo. Furthermore, it IS a question for you since you jumped in on the exchange between him and myself and felt the need to go forward and offer your own anectdote presenting a similar hypothetical situation. Therefore, I questioned you as well as him.