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[ReachTheLimit]

[quote=greekalum;1340052][quote=ReachTheLimit;1339794]

You bring this up alot.

Why do you assume that everyone that wants to AI got rejected in college? That is not at all true. When your parents are paying all the bills because you have a difficult major, or if you attend a school that has no Greek system, those are very valid reasons for not joining. I was told I couldn't work, and as long as they are paying the bills, they get to make the rules. When you are not working, your parents control the cash flow and not all of them can see the benefit of sorority membership.

Many women here joined sororities while working and/or over parental objections and/or with difficult majors. Women who want to join sororities should look into whether or not their college has a Greek system before applying. None of those are "valid reasons for not joining." Theya re individual EXCUSES, and they do not grant the person using them a free pass to join when it is more convenient for them.

I didn't know anything about sororities before I actually arrived at college. Wasn't sure what they were for, didn't know what they did. I selected my college on curriculum and major selection, not whether or not it had an extensive Greek System. Now, if you can tell me where one comes up with the money to pay for the pledge period, badge, initiation fees, and everything else, when you aren't permitted to work, I would love to hear it. I ruled out stealing.

What about super-competitive SEC schools where if you don't get in as a Freshman you can pretty much give it up? These boards are full of women that went through as Freshman, that are beautiful, had recs, graduated with honors, but the bid matching system didn't give them a home. It happens! Are you saying these women can never be a valued member of your organization or have to wait on the random chance that they will meet an Alumnae member who will magically know their interest, and then even THINK about recruiting them for AI?

Not everyone has to go to an SEC school.

I never said they did, I was drawing a reference that these schools are too large to take everyone that may be otherwise fully qualified.

Do you go to work every day looking for women to join your organization? It's just not something that comes up when you are out of college and working a real job.


No, because my organization does not rely on AI. We do not need AIs. It is an honor and a privelege for SOME organizations but not the sorority's lifeblood.

I never said any organization relied on AI and have never seen an AI post stating that. In fact, I have repetively stated that I was aware they didn't.


You are overlooking a very valuable resource that can be very valuable to your organization. I'm a single person with no other obligations. I am finally in a place in my career where I need something more, and this is what I have decided to do. If funds allow later, I would love to assist women financially in their persuit, I would also like to assist new college grads in finding jobs, which is getting to be more and more difficult.

No one is overlooking the fact that there are many single women in their twenties with lots of free time! Sororities just have different membership criteria than "someone with nothing else to do.

I don't consider working 60+ hours per week in a very demanding career nothing else to do. When you are able to manage your time well, you find the time to do things that are important. I have done volunteer work in the past in my area and wanted a change that was significant. The local AA here doesn't seem to object.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Kddani, I have never admitted to being a good speller.. which is why I went into broadcast journalism instead of print!

As for "speeches on the internet".. here ya go:
http://www.zetataualpha.org/default....&ContentId=118

When you make an allegation as powerful as you have made, you really need to be able to back it up. If you can't then "let it be stricken from the record."

That's nice that ZTA has that video up but that's not really relevant to our discussion.

I didn't make an "allegation". I made a statement based on information that multiple officers of various orgs have made in various places. I am not going to search all of GC to find something for you to argue further about. If you're interested, you can find it yourself.

Of course you don't believe me. I could tell you that the apple sitting on my desk is red and you'd accuse me of lying. But I do know that my word is good enough for many people on GC. I don't personally care whether or not you believe me. Even if you don't believe me, then use it as a hypothetical. What if what I said was true? Then what would you say?

[tunatartare]

Another problem with getting AI information off GC as opposed to an official source is that you never know who's giving it to you. I'm not in an NPC sorority, and pretty much all of the posters on here know that. However, tomorrow, a new poster could register, post that she wants to AI and ask for help, and I could theoretically pm her with "information" about TPA (picking a sorority at random) and pretending to be a sister, and she'd take my pm as gospel because she wouldn't know better.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by _Lisa_

And as for open AI information even on your own GLO's web site?

None, nada, zip, zilch, ZERO! Which goes back to this previous point:

This just proves my point. There was no info on the website, and fortunately, I found GC so that I could ask questions of others here in the AI forum.

So go ahead & let the conversation derail off into whether or not speeches are published on the internet, but we'll know its because your original argument is null & void.

Derailing?
I was simply showing Kddani that she was incorrect in her allegation that there are no speeches posted on the internet. If you are going to make a very strong allegation about what an international officer said, you must be prepared to back that up. I would like to see a speech in which one of these officers said such a thing.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Another problem with getting AI information off GC as opposed to an official source is that you never know who's giving it to you. I'm not in an NPC sorority, and pretty much all of the posters on here know that. However, tomorrow, a new poster could register, post that she wants to AI and ask for help, and I could theoretically pm her with "information" about TPA (picking a sorority at random) and pretending to be a sister, and she'd take my pm as gospel because she wouldn't know better.

I do feel though that as the askers of information, they should be responsible for determining its veracity.

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

This is a message board, not an authority on anything.
Another reason there should not be an AI forum on GC.

Glad you brought that up. If it's not an authority on anything, and that is why you are saying GC doesn't need an AI forum, then why do you need collegiate recruitment forums?

I mean, why should someone be able to come online and find out what they need to wear to recruitment events, and solicit recommendation letters from strangers online, told how to act, how not to act, what to say, what not to say. Leave them on their own to figure that out, or tell them that is what their Rush Counselor is for.

Wouldn't that be a disservice to PNM's everywhere who don't realize that they are getting unauthorized information?

The shame!

[AlexMack]

[QUOTE=ReachTheLimit;1340086][quote=greekalum;1340052]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

You bring this up alot.

Why do you assume that everyone that wants to AI got rejected in college? That is not at all true. When your parents are paying all the bills because you have a difficult major, or if you attend a school that has no Greek system, those are very valid reasons for not joining. I was told I couldn't work, and as long as they are paying the bills, they get to make the rules. When you are not working, your parents control the cash flow and not all of them can see the benefit of sorority membership.

Many women here joined sororities while working and/or over parental objections and/or with difficult majors. Women who want to join sororities should look into whether or not their college has a Greek system before applying. None of those are "valid reasons for not joining." Theya re individual EXCUSES, and they do not grant the person using them a free pass to join when it is more convenient for them.

I didn't know anything about sororities before I actually arrived at college. Wasn't sure what they were for, didn't know what they did. I selected my college on curriculum and major selection, not whether or not it had an extensive Greek System. Now, if you can tell me where one comes up with the money to pay for the pledge period, badge, initiation fees, and everything else, when you aren't permitted to work, I would love to hear it. I ruled out stealing.

What about super-competitive SEC schools where if you don't get in as a Freshman you can pretty much give it up? These boards are full of women that went through as Freshman, that are beautiful, had recs, graduated with honors, but the bid matching system didn't give them a home. It happens! Are you saying these women can never be a valued member of your organization or have to wait on the random chance that they will meet an Alumnae member who will magically know their interest, and then even THINK about recruiting them for AI?

Not everyone has to go to an SEC school.

I never said they did, I was drawing a reference that these schools are too large to take everyone that may be otherwise fully qualified.

Do you go to work every day looking for women to join your organization? It's just not something that comes up when you are out of college and working a real job.


No, because my organization does not rely on AI. We do not need AIs. It is an honor and a privelege for SOME organizations but not the sorority's lifeblood.

I never said any organization relied on AI and have never seen an AI post stating that. In fact, I have repetively stated that I was aware they didn't.


You are overlooking a very valuable resource that can be very valuable to your organization. I'm a single person with no other obligations. I am finally in a place in my career where I need something more, and this is what I have decided to do. If funds allow later, I would love to assist women financially in their persuit, I would also like to assist new college grads in finding jobs, which is getting to be more and more difficult.

No one is overlooking the fact that there are many single women in their twenties with lots of free time! Sororities just have different membership criteria than "someone with nothing else to do.

I don't consider working 60+ hours per week in a very demanding career nothing else to do. When you are able to manage your time well, you find the time to do things that are important. I have done volunteer work in the past in my area and wanted a change that was significant. The local AA here doesn't seem to object.

Look, no one here is objecting to the fact that you are pursuing AI. Good for you, seriously. This forum could exist peacefully if people like yourself find out about AI through the correct channels and then use this forum to talk about their journey and frustrations. That's why this forum should exist. It should not exist to be a resource for PNAMs.
If we can put the lid on enquiries and the means to pursuing AI and leave this forum for people like yourself who are already in the process then it could work.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Glad you brought that up. If it's not an authority on anything, and that is why you are saying GC doesn't need an AI forum, then why do you need collegiate recruitment forums?

I mean, why should someone be able to come online and find out what they need to wear to recruitment events, and solicit recommendation letters from strangers online, told how to act, how not to act, what to say, what not to say. Leave them on their own to figure that out, or tell them that is what their Rush Counselor is for.

Wouldn't that be a disservice to PNM's everywhere who don't realize that they are getting unauthorized information?

The shame!

AI IS NOT RECRUITMENT

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

AI IS NOT RECRUITMENT

Just put it in the sig. Easier that way.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Just put it in the sig. Easier that way.

I might have to, because it seems that some people need that reminder every 4 posts or so.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Another problem with getting AI information off GC as opposed to an official source is that you never know who's giving it to you. I'm not in an NPC sorority, and pretty much all of the posters on here know that. However, tomorrow, a new poster could register, post that she wants to AI and ask for help, and I could theoretically pm her with "information" about TPA (picking a sorority at random) and pretending to be a sister, and she'd take my pm as gospel because she wouldn't know better.

Gah, I said this (quite eloquently and with a beautiful analogy I might add) a few pages back. GC is like wikipedia. No one should use it as an absolute authoritative resource for anything.
It's easier to go here for undergrad recruitment advice because that's a unified policy and even people who aren't greek have some semblence of an idea what you should or shouldn't do during recruitment. But AI is not common and even greeks don't always know, in fact this is proven in many threads.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Glad you brought that up. If it's not an authority on anything, and that is why you are saying GC doesn't need an AI forum, then why do you need collegiate recruitment forums?

Recruitment is an annual open event. AI is not. And GC PNMs are told to contact their universities to verify any information they receive from GC.

If you truly desire to be a sorority woman, I find it hard to understand why you refuse to comprehend that we as sororities have a method and a way of doing things, and that these things are done for a reason. It isn't for you to question our system or say that it must be changed simply because you don't agree with it. If you so dislike how sororities do things, perhaps you should not desire to be a part of such an organization with its many policies and rules. You may enjoy a more liberal type of organization where no one is subject to fitting in and following rules.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by kddani

That's nice that ZTA has that video up but that's not really relevant to our discussion.

I didn't make an "allegation". I made a statement based on information that multiple officers of various orgs have made in various places. I am not going to search all of GC to find something for you to argue further about. If you're interested, you can find it yourself.

Of course you don't believe me. I could tell you that the apple sitting on my desk is red and you'd accuse me of lying. But I do know that my word is good enough for many people on GC. I don't personally care whether or not you believe me. Even if you don't believe me, then use it as a hypothetical. What if what I said was true? Then what would you say?

Sure it's relevant. You said that there were no speeches on the internet from international officers.. and I proved there are. So why am I now to believe that your alleged officers said what they said without any proof when you were already wrong on one of your alleged "facts?" Telling me to find it myself is a cop out. The burden of proof is on you. You made the allegation, you need to source it.

[ReachTheLimit]

[quote=centaur532;1340100][quote=ReachTheLimit;1340086]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Look, no one here is objecting to the fact that you are pursuing AI. Good for you, seriously. This forum could exist peacefully if people like yourself find out about AI through the correct channels and then use this forum to talk about their journey and frustrations. That's why this forum should exist. It should not exist to be a resource for PNAMs.
If we can put the lid on enquiries and the means to pursuing AI and leave this forum for people like yourself who are already in the process then it could work.

I only used the GC board for a few basic things..to find out if the sororities (and I'll admit here, there were two on my list) I was interested in, even did AI.

1) I learned from reading the posts that the National office was the place to make the contact.
2) Don't post the name of the sorority until you are extended an invitation to join, or better yet, intiated.
3) Don't solicit other members for sponsorship, because of #1.
4) That it could take weeks, months, years, if at all.
5) Was rare and every sorority did it differently and had different requirements.

Yes, there were a few sororities that were listed that said they AI'd under specific circumstances. These were not on my list, but even if they had been, I wouldn't have contacted them at all because what "special circumstances" did I have? Nothing! I obviously didn't know what they were b/c I'm not a member, but I don't think one has to be very smart to be able to answer your own question that if you don't have a previous tie, then that is probably not the one to contact.

I was able to gather all of that info without posting anything. I consider this information, extremely basic. That is the part that I would like to see continue, and I don't see anything wrong with a sticky to make sure that the information given is accurate

I would also support the deletion of any threads or posts where someone didn't bother to read the sticky.

Now, do you get some crazies inquiring about AI? Absolutely! I'm not going to disagree with anyone regarding that.

However, there may not be many, but I am sure there are a few women like me, who want to join for the right reasons, are willing to be a very present, hardworking member, and "do the sorority justice" in representing it and giving back. I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if HQ was contacted by these women. How many could there possibly be? This forum is very, very small.

I also believe, in regards to the crazies, let's say they did contact your HQ. If you can figure out they are nuts in a few posts, don't you think a group of women can figure out the same thing?

Trust your local AA. I am sure they turn down alot.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I only used the GC board for a few basic things..to find out if the sororities (and I'll admit here, there were two on my list) I was interested in, even did AI.

THERE SHOULD BE NO LIST.

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

3) Don't solicit other members for sponsorship, because of #1.

IF YOU HAD TO "LEARN" THAT ON GC...THEN THAT IS A GREAT REASON FOR THE AI FORUM NOT TO EXISIT.