Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[knight_shadow]

There have been several threads that have asked why LGLOs and MCGLOs use certain NPHC practices (ex. "incorporated," pledge lines, crossing jackets, etc). ElephantWalk brought up a good question with a little bit of a different angle.

Why do these GLOs use NPHC practices rather than NIC/NPC ones? Why were NPHC organizations more attractive than the NIC/NPC counterparts?

[preciousjeni]

Good stuff! Here's a link to the post that started it all:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...4&postcount=53

I am totally going to cheat and just repost what I posted to get it started.

There are many LGLOs/AGLOs/MCGLOs/etc. that use a more structured NPC-style formal recruitment as well as those that do things other ways. And, there are some that pledge in classes and some that pledge in lines, with all the differences that those words imply.

Within multicultural sororities, some, like Delta Xi Phi, are much more NPC-style oriented than orgs like Theta Nu Xi. And, others, like Zeta Sigma Chi, do things similarly to LGLOs. But, in all cases, it's not purely one way or another. Each org has its own uniqueness, so it's too simple to say they have NPC characteristics vs. NPHC characteristics.

I would also say that people don't allow for the possibility that newer orgs are creating a different category altogether that borrows from many different traditions. I believe it's in the "Incorporated" thread where an NPHCer stated that newer orgs emphasize innnnnncorporated because the founders thought it was cool when NPHC orgs did it.

However, that's not entirely the case. OF COURSE, newer orgs borrow from older orgs, but it is not simply copycatting. The newer orgs may adopt some traditions, but they make them their own...similar to the way older organizations borrowed traditions from even older organizations and made them their own. And, honestly, some of the traditions that Greeks consider "theirs" today were a) not developed or instituted at the founding and, worse, b) frowned upon by the founders when they were still living. What's more, some of the newer organizations have officially incorporated these traditions into their functioning and they have become nationally sanctioned which is often not the case with the originating orgs.

[LatinaAlumna]

I can only speak for my own organization (LGLO), but my Founding Mothers received a great deal of advice and support from one of the NPHC sororities when they were establishing our organization. Further, some of my Founding Mothers were rejected by the NPC when they tried to register for recruitment, so I'm figuring this factored into the decision to refrain from using very many traditions that originated with the NPC sororities.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

I can only speak for my own organization (LGLO), but my Founding Mothers received a great deal of advice and support from one of the NPHC sororities when they were establishing our organization. Further, some of my Founding Mothers were rejected by the NPC when they tried to register for recruitment, so I'm figuring this factored into the decision to refrain from using very many traditions that originated with the NPC sororities.

I totally understand this but what gets me is when those who are rejected from NPHC orgs or who simply wish to hate on us end up adopting our traditions when they create their new org. Then they want to preach about how they're so anti-NPHC and they are the alternative and yadda yadda yadda. Huh??? Sorry to crash...just venting.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I totally understand this but what gets me is when those who are rejected from NPHC orgs or who simply wish to hate on us end up adopting our traditions when they create their new org. Then they want to preach about how they're so anti-NPHC and they are the alternative and yadda yadda yadda. Huh???

I've usually only seen this from non-NPHC BGLOs. Have you seen it with LGLOs or MCGLOs?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I've usually only seen this from non-NPHC BGLOs. Have you seen it with LGLOs or MCGLOs?

I've seen it, too. But moreso from those who decided to not pursue membership or were denied membership.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

I can only speak for my own organization (LGLO), but my Founding Mothers received a great deal of advice and support from one of the NPHC sororities when they were establishing our organization. Further, some of my Founding Mothers were rejected by the NPC when they tried to register for recruitment, so I'm figuring this factored into the decision to refrain from using very many traditions that originated with the NPC sororities.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I totally understand this but what gets me is when those who are rejected from NPHC orgs or who simply wish to hate on us end up adopting our traditions when they create their new org. Then they want to preach about how they're so anti-NPHC and they are the alternative and yadda yadda yadda. Huh??? Sorry to crash...just venting.

i didnt get the gist from LatinaAlumna's post that her Founding Mothers were of the sort. of course there are those who are in line with what you are saying... but really, dont bite the hand that feeds you. or at the very least the hand that cooked the meal.

on a somewhat related note, i knew black dudes that would pledge some of the LGLO fraternities as "the next best thing" (their words), and similarly of NIC/IFCs that attempted to mimic NPHC traditions (off the top of my head, Phi Iota Alpha, Lambda Upsilon Lambda and TKE/SigEp, respectively). These guys always stuck out, not because they were black and their chapters often didnt look like them, but because they tended to reek of wanna-be-down-itis.

which as you all know, is the true source of wanna-jacket-itis and on a larger scale, founder-itis.

[TailorMade]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I've seen it, too. But moreso from those who decided to not pursue membership or were denied membership.

Speaking as a Member of an Independent BGLO our members Give our upmost Respect to NPHC Organizations. We know that if it were not for the strides they Made our organization may not be there. I cant speak for eveyone in our organization but for the members in my Chapter these Indidvudals never sought out a NPHC org to join. They wanted to do something different myself Included.

[Little32]

Some discussion of that here too.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...t=86289&page=2

[knight_shadow]

You're welcome.

[Little32]

And you refuse to get it. We may not come to those things because we have the business of our organizations to attend to. We are not to be weighed and measured in the same ways that your organizations are, either in terms of service or in terms of members. The goals and methods of IFC/NPC orgs are, generally, not ours.

[Elephant Walk]

I'll go with a more...sociological look.

Sociologists call it "cross-ghettoization" (I believe it's the term), but it's not the word I would use, nor the word which aptly describes it. Simply put, ethnic minorities tend to reflect other ethnic minorities. The term "cross-ghettoization"(I think) is a somewhat harsher word towards hispanics and other ethnic groups.

In Germany, the black people (which have noooothing in common with African-Americans in America except they're usually only 2nd generation immigrants instead of 10th from Africa)...dress exactly the same as the stereotyped "rap" popular "ghetto" culture. They wear long black t-shirts, saggy jeans, etc. They see the ethnic minorities in America and tend to reflect that culture...even if it has nothing to do with their own. So, perhaps, the other LGLO/MCGLO's, do with NPHC. It's only a theory, I guess, but an interesting one.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

In Germany, the black people (which have noooothing in common with African-Americans in America except they're usually only 2nd generation immigrants instead of 10th from Africa)...dress exactly the same as the stereotyped "rap" popular "ghetto" culture. They wear long black t-shirts, saggy jeans, etc. They see the ethnic minorities in America and tend to reflect that culture...even if it has nothing to do with their own. So, perhaps, the other LGLO/MCGLO's, do with NPHC. It's only a theory, I guess, but an interesting one.

Blacks in Germany do have things in common with African Americans.

But what we have in common (and African American culture) can not be reduced to "rap" and "popular ghetto culture." There have always been African diasporic and international racial activism efforts that have connected us on much more meaningful fronts.

Other than those points of clarification, you are misapplying concepts.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Blacks in Germany do have things in common with African Americans.

Especially when you share a parent.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Especially when you share a parent.

That's so cool. My college roommate the summer before my freshman year was from Germany.

Her father would call from Germany every morning at 6:00AM thinking I was she. 6:00AM!!!!!!