Anti-rape condom?

[ErinIsBadNews]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

No.

It's just all new to me that's all.

You don't watch any of the Law and Orders or CSIs??? I fall asleep to Court TV because it makes me feel safe. lol.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Here's the original GC thread on this - people seemed to like it more then. I wonder what's changed.

well i wouldnt say "people like them more then" since there were only 5 posts.

i dont know what's changed really. i think the realization of the fact that the product sux (the website's FAQ alone turns me off and the pics to go with it are icing on the "hell no" cake).

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Oh. Wow. I heard of them using weapons as a threat to get it, but never using weapons as sex/rape tools. That's new to me.

Yeah, It's not about sex, it's about power and humiliation. So anything that hurts the woman makes the man feel better. Anything the woman does to provoke him only makes it worse.

I always learned, never get in a car with a person who's threatening you. If he's going to kill you, make him do it right there on the street, but don't let him take you to somewhere where he'll have more time and be able to hurt kill you without anyone knowing where to find you. Yell, scream, fight back. He's more likely to let you go than to shoot or stab you in public. Just don't go quietly.

And, for your news, a brave 11 year old fought off her 19 year old attacker. He was trying to take her up the staircase, possibly to the roof of her apartment building. She's 4'5'' he's 6'2'' and saved herself by crying and screaming.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_135073220.html

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by tld221

well i wouldnt say "people like them more then" since there were only 5 posts.

i dont know what's changed really. i think the realization of the fact that the product sux (the website's FAQ alone turns me off and the pics to go with it are icing on the "hell no" cake).

And on the surface it seems like a good defense, a way to get back at the evil rapists. People just don't take the details into consideration.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by ErinIsBadNews

You don't watch any of the Law and Orders or CSIs??? I fall asleep to Court TV because it makes me feel safe. lol.

No. I don't watch any of that.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah, It's not about sex, it's about power and humiliation. So anything that hurts the woman makes the man feel better. Anything the woman does to provoke him only makes it worse.

I always learned, never get in a car with a person who's threatening you. If he's going to kill you, make him do it right there on the street, but don't let him take you to somewhere where he'll have more time and be able to hurt kill you without anyone knowing where to find you. Yell, scream, fight back. He's more likely to let you go than to shoot or stab you in public. Just don't go quietly.

And, for your news, a brave 11 year old fought off her 19 year old attacker. He was trying to take her up the staircase, possibly to the roof of her apartment building. She's 4'5'' he's 6'2'' and saved herself by crying and screaming.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_135073220.html

I guess I was wrong. I thought it was mostly about the sex, because of the semen DNA they find inside women after being raped. It just seems like these perverts just want to get off. What about these date rapes and stuff like that? How is that mostly a power thing? Some of the creeps know these women very well, and force themselves on her.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I guess I was wrong. I thought it was mostly about the sex, because of the semen DNA they find inside women after being raped. It just seems like these perverts just want to get off. What about these date rapes and stuff like that? How is that mostly a power thing? Some of the creeps know these women very well, and force themselves on her.

They get off, but they're getting off on the pain and the violence and the power. It's like a fetish but it's not harmless like shoes. It's terrible.

Date rapes are difficult. Sometimes it's idiocy, sometimes it's taking advantage of their power over a girl in the moment even though they're not violent people, sometime's it's alcohol on both parties parts. A lot of times there's an idea that the woman deserves it because she's dirty, all women are sluts, that sort of thing.

My opinion is that date rapists will not usually become "regular" rapists as they don't really get off on the power stuff as much as it's just a crime of opportunity. They're still using the power to their advantage, but the whole thing's a continuum not black or white.

I'm actually taking a sexual dysfunction and family violence class this summer so I can share more as we get into the violence part.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

They get off, but they're getting off on the pain and the violence and the power. It's like a fetish but it's not harmless like shoes. It's terrible.

Date rapes are difficult. Sometimes it's idiocy, sometimes it's taking advantage of their power over a girl in the moment even though they're not violent people, sometime's it's alcohol on both parties parts. A lot of times there's an idea that the woman deserves it because she's dirty, all women are sluts, that sort of thing.

My opinion is that date rapists will not usually become "regular" rapists as they don't really get off on the power stuff as much as it's just a crime of opportunity. They're still using the power to their advantage, but the whole thing's a continuum not black or white.

I'm actually taking a sexual dysfunction and family violence class this summer so I can share more as we get into the violence part.

Guys are pigs. Well..some are.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Guys are pigs. Well..some are.

Well, there ARE women rapists out there too. Like with women, just because a guy's body gets aroused doesn't mean that he consents. This too is about power.

However it is predominantly a male thing. I think women make up for it, you know metaphorically, with the women who falsely accuse men of rape. You get men whose lives are ruined and true victims who aren't beleived because of it.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Well, there ARE women rapists out there too. Like with women, just because a guy's body gets aroused doesn't mean that he consents. This too is about power.

However it is predominantly a male thing. I think women make up for it, you know metaphorically, with the women who falsely accuse men of rape. You get men whose lives are ruined and true victims who aren't beleived because of it.

Women rapist? No. How is that possible? I don't see how, guys are physically stronger than women.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

They get off, but they're getting off on the pain and the violence and the power. It's like a fetish but it's not harmless like shoes. It's terrible.

Date rapes are difficult. Sometimes it's idiocy, sometimes it's taking advantage of their power over a girl in the moment even though they're not violent people, sometime's it's alcohol on both parties parts. A lot of times there's an idea that the woman deserves it because she's dirty, all women are sluts, that sort of thing.

My opinion is that date rapists will not usually become "regular" rapists as they don't really get off on the power stuff as much as it's just a crime of opportunity. They're still using the power to their advantage, but the whole thing's a continuum not black or white.

I'm actually taking a sexual dysfunction and family violence class this summer so I can share more as we get into the violence part.

i read / was told that date rapers get off on the whole power shift and the added bonus of destroying the trust that was built in said relationship. so the woman (or man) is left not only feeling physically taken advantage of, but also mentall. its a blow to the self-esteem that they were "dumb enough" to let it happen, and by someone they knew.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Women rapist? No. How is that possible? I don't see how, guys are physically stronger than women.

ok, i see this being a rehashed topic that may have been had on GC, but...

Y E S. women can be rapists. the issue of power and control still exists. i think in this case, the man may be of the "i cant believe a woman took advantage of me sexually... i shouldve enjoyed it, but i didnt... what's wrong with me" vs a woman thinking "i didn't want that... was it my fault... did i ask for this... maybe i shouldn't have gone with him, or been out late, or whatever"

as for a woman physically holding a man down and raping him... who knows. she could drug him like a dude. or she could beat him silly just like a dude could a woman. some male rapists arent as big and rough as you'd imagine them to be.

and man-on-man rape happens too if we're gonna go this route... but i cant imagine a dude (gay or straight) is gonna stick a Rapex up his butt and hope for a safe night.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by tld221

i read / was told that date rapers get off on the whole power shift and the added bonus of destroying the trust that was built in said relationship. so the woman (or man) is left not only feeling physically taken advantage of, but also mentall. its a blow to the self-esteem that they were "dumb enough" to let it happen, and by someone they knew.



ok, i see this being a rehashed topic that may have been had on GC, but...

Y E S. women can be rapists. the issue of power and control still exists. i think in this case, the man may be of the "i cant believe a woman took advantage of me sexually... i shouldve enjoyed it, but i didnt... what's wrong with me" vs a woman thinking "i didn't want that... was it my fault... did i ask for this... maybe i shouldn't have gone with him, or been out late, or whatever"

as for a woman physically holding a man down and raping him... who knows. she could drug him like a dude. or she could beat him silly just like a dude could a woman. some male rapists arent as big and rough as you'd imagine them to be.

and man-on-man rape happens too if we're gonna go this route... but i cant imagine a dude (gay or straight) is gonna stick a Rapex up his butt and hope for a safe night.

I could see if the guy wasn't physically attracted to the woman, but if he's physically attracted to her, and he gets an erection, knowing him, he's gonna enjoy it rather he wanted it or not. I heard that guys think about sex every 7 seconds or something like that.

lol at the gay rapist.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Women rapist? No. How is that possible? I don't see how, guys are physically stronger than women.

Lets say the guy is drunk, the woman sober. He's passed out. She physically arouses him and has sex with him without his consent. Is this rape? Because if it's rape for a woman, it's rape for a man.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I could see if the guy wasn't physically attracted to the woman, but if he's physically attracted to her, and he gets an erection, knowing him, he's gonna enjoy it rather he wanted it or not. I heard that guys think about sex every 7 seconds or something like that.

lol at the gay rapist.

NO NO NO. Physical arousal =/= consent. Women have orgasmed during rape because their bodies were stimulated by it. But it does NOT mean they wanted it and it does NOT make it consensual. These women have to live with the guilt of their body's betrayal over the betrayal of whoever raped them.

Originally Posted by tld221

i read / was told that date rapers get off on the whole power shift and the added bonus of destroying the trust that was built in said relationship. so the woman (or man) is left not only feeling physically taken advantage of, but also mentall. its a blow to the self-esteem that they were "dumb enough" to let it happen, and by someone they knew.

Makes sense to me, I haven't actually gotten to study them specifically. I tend to think it's an overall malformed perception of women and their purpose. I do think there's just really stupid guys out there too.

ok, i see this being a rehashed topic that may have been had on GC, but...

Y E S. women can be rapists. the issue of power and control still exists. i think in this case, the man may be of the "i cant believe a woman took advantage of me sexually... i shouldve enjoyed it, but i didnt... what's wrong with me" vs a woman thinking "i didn't want that... was it my fault... did i ask for this... maybe i shouldn't have gone with him, or been out late, or whatever"

as for a woman physically holding a man down and raping him... who knows. she could drug him like a dude. or she could beat him silly just like a dude could a woman. some male rapists arent as big and rough as you'd imagine them to be.

and man-on-man rape happens too if we're gonna go this route... but i cant imagine a dude (gay or straight) is gonna stick a Rapex up his butt and hope for a safe night.

A lot of times a man is afraid to fight back. There are women who emotionally and physically abuse their partners as well. Domestic abuse is viewed as very one sided because hey "a guy should fight back right?" Just as certain personality characteristics can keep a woman with an abusive man, the opposite is true.

ETA: Like women don't have sexual thoughts all the time too. That's a fake statistic btw, there's no way to measure that accurately.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I could see if the guy wasn't physically attracted to the woman, but if he's physically attracted to her, and he gets an erection, knowing him, he's gonna enjoy it rather he wanted it or not. I heard that guys think about sex every 7 seconds or something like that.

lol at the gay rapist.

umm. no. men and women think about sex equally. and how many times can it be said that rape is about the POWER not the ACT. if a man is being forced to f*ck a woman and she's successful with it, it will screw with his head a little. part of him will like it because its like "hey, sex i didnt have to work for!" but the other part of him will be like "WTF, she totally forced me into it and thats not cool."

considering the way we understand gender roles, it may seem like a woman raping a man is undoable and ridiculous. but it can happen. especially in the case of an older female vs a younger male (i think of sister-brother, mother/aunt-son/nephew and babysitter-charge).

and gay rapes are nothing to laugh about. well, rape in general isnt anything to laught at.

[cheerfulgreek]

What?? How can a woman have an orgasm from getting raped? Where did you get this info from? There's no way a rapist perverted creep could give me an orgasm.

Then again my x boyfriend couldn't either.