Vick indicted in dog fighting case

AOII_LB93 · #1 07-17-2007, 08:58 PM

RICHMOND, Va. - Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury on charges related to illegal dogfighting.

Vick and three others are charged with competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP&gt1=10239
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This is disgusting...to treat animals in such a way is foul and evil. I hope all involved are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If in fact Vick was involved, I hope that his money doesn't get him out of it.

KSUViolet06 · #2 07-17-2007, 09:16 PM

He's an idiot. Why would you even do something so dumb when you make MILLIONS of dollars?

macallan25 · #3 07-17-2007, 10:13 PM

From what I have read.....Vick is more than likely going to be in some deep shit. I read on ESPN that they found something like 12 or 13 dead pit bull carcases on his property.

UGAalum94 · #4 07-17-2007, 10:20 PM

I'm not any kind of big animal rights activist, but dog fighting or even rooster fighting makes me think you'd have to be a really sick person to be involved in it or watch it. How could it be entertaining for a normally adjusted person to watch two animals fight to the death?

It seems an indication of personality flaws like torturing animals as a kid can be part of the homicidal triad.

ETA: I'd like to see the Falcons release Vick. Surely there's something in his contract about how he represents the organization. (They might have to wait for conviction to play it safe, but a federal indictment is damaging enough when you are talking about branding of an organization. Well, any organization except a sports team I guess. Why do some athletes who have had so many opportunities choose to be thugs?

His defense right now is that it was relatives of his who did it. Okay, raise your hands if your relatives could run a 65 dog fighting ring at your house (any one of your houses) and you wouldn't know about it.

(But the particulate in the water bottle wasn't weed, so maybe Michael Vick is the Cassandra of our time. )

ZTABullwinkle · #5 07-17-2007, 11:03 PM

I live in the same area as where Vick's house is. The story has obviously been all over our news. The dog fighting was found after a drug warrant was being served on his cousin who lived in his house. To make matters worse, the local commonwealth's attorney kept delaying investigating the dogfighting. He even did serve a search warrant filed on the case. He kept saying that he would not be forced into convicting him. The feds got involved, and look where he is now.

One surprising thing is that PETA is also in this area and have been pretty quiet about the situation.

I persoanlly think it is time for the NFL to wipe its hand's clean of Mr. Vick.

Jill1228 · #6 07-17-2007, 11:48 PM

I am an animal lover and I hope the Falcons release him and I would love to see him put UNDER the jail. He can get 6 years max...not nearly enough

If he is guilty then he is a sick bastard who needs to be destroyed

AKA_Monet · #7 07-18-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

dog fighting or even rooster fighting makes me think you'd have to be a really sick person to be involved in it or watch it. How could it be entertaining for a normally adjusted person to watch two animals fight to the death?

It seems an indication of personality flaws like torturing animals as a kid can be part of the homicidal triad.

And the sad part is these animals cannot help themselves from fighting. They are bred to fight, generally. And the roosters are male against male.

And to actually watch it... I hate the fight matches mice and rats have when one has to place breeders in the same cage. But THAT IS ILLEGAL and against the Animal Care and Use Committee.

kstar · #8 07-18-2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ZTABullwinkle

One surprising thing is that PETA is also in this area and have been pretty quiet about the situation.

Not surprising if you know anything about PETA. PETA kills more animals than they save, and have statements on the record that indicate that they are for the extinction of certain dog breeds, pit bulls being one of them.

kstar · #9 07-18-2007, 03:42 AM

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And the sad part is these animals cannot help themselves from fighting. They are bred to fight, generally.

Ah, the nature versus nurture argument. While the breed's original purpose was to breed for gameness and pit fighting characteristics, they still need training to fight.

My pittie and her littermates were rescued from a fighting house. Tasha is the sweetest thing and is submissive to every dog she meets, while a littermate of hers had to be adopted out to a home with no other dogs because she will try to kill ANY other animal she sees that is smaller or near her size. It was heartbreaking because Tasha wasn't taking to her training, so her original owner was starving her to make her mean, while her more aggressive littermates were getting steaks. Didn't work. Does this mean her littermate was born aggressive? No, it means that they were more open to the training and treatment of their former owner.

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

macallan25 · #10 07-18-2007, 11:11 AM

Alright.......so The Smoking Gun has a copy of the 18 page affidavit. If what it says is true.....that man should never be allowed to play football again and should be thrown in jail for I don't know how man years. It is absolutely sick.

Talks about drowning the dogs, slamming their heads on the ground, choking them, shooting them, putting them in water and then electricuting them, etc. etc. It names witnesses, names of dogs, dogs that Vick purchased, how much money was being pooled...............personally I think the guy is screwed.

OneTimeSBX · #11 07-18-2007, 11:16 AM

i was a Vick fan up until this.

i have never even had a pet and i get a sick feeling hearing about these allegations. i hope he, and anyone else involved, gets some serious time.

Jill1228 · #12 07-18-2007, 11:50 AM

I love Clinton Portis's remarks about the situation

He is soaring to the top of my shit list
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960

KSig RC · #13 07-18-2007, 12:11 PM

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Talks about drowning the dogs, slamming their heads on the ground, choking them, shooting them, putting them in water and then electricuting them, etc. etc. It names witnesses, names of dogs, dogs that Vick purchased, how much money was being pooled...............personally I think the guy is screwed.

Regardless of how highly you rate the immoral nature of dog fighting (which is clearly a sick enterprise), this is by far worse in my mind - this is honestly just brutal. Killing dogs in such disparate fashion is horrific - part of me thinks it had to be done for enjoyment, with so many sick methods attempted. Just unreal.

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Does this mean her littermate was born aggressive? No, it means that they were more open to the training and treatment of their former owner.

So . . . it was born more open to the training? Or did the dog make a decision to be more open? Either way, you're kind of contradictory (either nature plays a huge role, or there are in fact 'bad' dogs) - not that it's at all relevant to the thread, it's clear Pit Bulls can be extremely good pets under the right circumstances. I'm not sure why you go beyond that, at all.

ZTABullwinkle · #14 07-18-2007, 12:17 PM

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I love Clinton Portis's remarks about the situation

He is soaring to the top of my shit list
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960

I am by no means justifying what Portis said! However, those comments were made at the "Beach Blitz" in May. After about a week, Portis corrected himself and said that he didn't codone dog fighting. He apologized after the uproar he created, and the Redskins tried to deflect.

In the long run, no matter what Michael Vick is an idiot and deserves the book thrown at him.

The news here that he is expected in Richmond Federal court next Thursday afternoon, July 26th for his arraignment which is scheduled at 3:30pm

UGAalum94 · #15 07-18-2007, 01:01 PM

I agree that the methods that they used to kill the unsuccessful dogs may be stronger evidence that something being fundamentally wrong with the people involved. I had already learned that when I posted last night.

But I think the fights themselves are also completely sick because they fight to the point of pretty grievous injury or death, I think, most of the time.

I have no problem with controlled fighting for sport for people, like boxing or real Olympic wrestling. But when the point is to maim or kill for entertainment and gambling, it would be sick for people to do it, and maybe even sicker to compel animals to do it who have no choose not to.

I also want to add that I don't have a problem with people mercifully euthanizing animals for almost any reason at all.

But the guys involved in this are just emotionally broken. And I'm not sure why it makes sense for us to just wait until they start harming people before we recognize that they are probably very dangerous.

I also wonder the same thing when kids do truly horrible stuff repeatedly. I don't know what we should do about it, but it seems silly that we act like we can change fundamentally psychopathic or sociopathic people back to normal.