Sections = States no longer

[naraht]

With the *massive* reorganization of Region IV at their last Regional conference, it has become enormously clear how much the idea of Sections often being equal to states has changed. As of right now there are only 8 of the 50 states where the state boundary is equal to that of the section and almost half of those are in Region VIII. They are Utah (13), Iowa (21), Nebraska (26), Wisconsin (27), Oklahoma (32), Arkansas (33), Kansas (34), and New Jersey (99).

At one time or another, the following additional states were their own sections: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Virginia.

Randy

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by naraht

With the *massive* reorganization of Region IV at their last Regional conference, it has become enormously clear how much the idea of Sections often being equal to states has changed. As of right now there are only 7 of the 50 states where the state boundary is equal to that of the section and almost half of those are in Region VIII. They are Utah (13), Iowa (21), Nebraska (26), Wisconsin (27), Oklahoma (32), Arkansas (33), Kansas (34), and New Jersey (99).

At one time or another, the following additional states were their own sections: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Virginia.

Randy

Illinois would have been a single-section a LONG time ago. Even when we were Section 48 (prior to splitting into 47/50/51), the counties around St. Louis belonged to Section 49.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by arvid1978

Illinois would have been a single-section a LONG time ago. Even when we were Section 48 (prior to splitting into 47/50/51), the counties around St. Louis belonged to Section 49.

Yes, SUIE moved from 48 into 49 not long after con-con.

Randy

[Sister Havana]

Indiana just split last year. RIP Section 52!

[Explicit]

I'm in Section 99 and there's talk of splitting us up soon, as we've got 10 chapters and 3 current extension efforts with another possibly on the way.

I actually liked the fact that our section was our state, and I'll be a little sad when it splits, but you have to do what you have to do.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Explicit

I'm in Section 99 and there's talk of splitting us up soon, as we've got 10 chapters and 3 current extension efforts with another possibly on the way.

I actually liked the fact that our section was our state, and I'll be a little sad when it splits, but you have to do what you have to do.

True, but it appears that the concept of what the appropriate size for a section (in terms of number of chapters and the area that they are in) has gone down over the last 10-15 years...

I think NJ/99 is the only one of the remaining state/sections to be likely to split soon. Iowa/21 is the only other one with more than 5 chapters, and I think they are down one chapter from their max over the last decade.

I think one likely way to split NJ is simply to move the chapters in the northern part of the state into 97. 97 is undersize in terms of active chapters (though I believe largest in the country in terms of charters) and also keeps people from having to figure out what number other than 93 would be given to the two new sections. (Section 78 is the highest number that hasn't been used in the last 20 years).


Randy

[Explicit]

I'm in Northern New Jersey and we already do things with section 97 pretty frequently. We even go to their sectionals as well as our own. It wouldn't be TOO bad to become part of their section.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Explicit

I'm in Northern New Jersey and we already do things with section 97 pretty frequently. We even go to their sectionals as well as our own. It wouldn't be TOO bad to become part of their section.

I think doing that would leave section 85 (DC, Southern and Eastern Maryland) as the only section entirely on one subway system then.

Is the a recognizable group of 3-5 of the 10Chap +3 Ext that are obviously NYC local?

[Explicit]

Yes, There are NJCU, Stevens, and NJIT (Petitioning Group) where you can catch the path directly into NYC. Then there are Montclair (Interest Group) and Willy P (my home chapter), which have nearby rail trains and buses available. Ramapo isn't TOO terribly far either, but I'm too sure what the transportation situation is like there. There is also Seton Hall, which I know has lots of mass transport. So it's definitely doable.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Explicit

Yes, There are NJCU, Stevens, and NJIT (Petitioning Group) where you can catch the path directly into NYC. Then there are Montclair (Interest Group) and Willy P (my home chapter), which have nearby rail trains and buses available. Ramapo isn't TOO terribly far either, but I'm too sure what the transportation situation is like there. There is also Seton Hall, which I know has lots of mass transport. So it's definitely doable.

If you have any insight into that group, let me know via PM. This girl on facebook seemed to be all gung ho about it until she pledged Phi Sigma Sigma. I don't know what happened.

I have a friend who is an APO alum from Montclair.

[GMUAPhiOAdvisor]

Originally Posted by naraht

I think doing that would leave section 85 (DC, Southern and Eastern Maryland) as the only section entirely on one subway system then.

Is the a recognizable group of 3-5 of the 10Chap +3 Ext that are obviously NYC local?

And the one school that should have been in that section RE-VOTED and will not be going there.

Ahhh, the joys of living in the Peoples Republic of Northern Virginia!!

[naraht]

Originally Posted by GMUAPhiOAdvisor

And the one school that should have been in that section RE-VOTED and will not be going there.

Ahhh, the joys of living in the Peoples Republic of Northern Virginia!!

If you think Fairfax county is a Peoples Republic, you haven't lived in Takoma Park or Garrett Park over in Montgomery County. I think one has voted to ban nuclear weapons from passing though the town...


Randy