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Old 09-25-2007, 11:20 AM
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Snipers accused of baiting tactics

By PAULINE JELINEK and ROBERT BURNS, Associated Press Writers
2 hours, 26 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Army snipers hunting insurgents in Iraq were under orders to "bait" their targets with suspicious materials, such as detonation cords, and then kill whoever picked up the items, according to the defense attorney for a soldier accused of planting evidence on an Iraqi he killed. Gary Myers, an attorney for Sgt. Evan Vela, said his client had acted "pursuant to orders."

"We believe that our client has done nothing more than he was instructed to do by superiors," Myers said in a telephone interview.

Myers and Vela's father, Curtis Carnahan of Idaho Falls, Idaho, said in separate interviews that sworn statements and testimony in the cases of two other accused Ranger snipers indicate that the Army has a classified program that encourages snipers to "bait" potential targets and then kill whoever takes the bait.

The Army on Monday declined to confirm such a program exists.

"To prevent the enemy from learning about our tactics, techniques and training procedures, we don't discuss specific methods targeting enemy combatants," said Paul Boyce, an Army spokesman.

Boyce also said there are no classified programs that authorize the murder of Iraqi civilians or the use of "drop weapons" to make killings appeared to be legally justified, which is what Vela and the two other snipers are accused of doing.

The transcript of a court hearing for two of the three accused snipers makes several references to the existence of a classified "baiting" program but provides few details of how it works. A copy of the transcript was provided to The Associated Press by Vela's father.

The Washington Post, which first reported the existence of the "baiting" program, cited the sworn statement of Capt. Matthew P. Didier, the leader of a Ranger sniper scout platoon.


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Old 09-25-2007, 04:15 PM
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Guess they should have left them alone?
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:35 PM
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Ok, and whats the point here.
Its a classic sniper tactic, either drop some item or have your spotter go forward and make some noise of the perimeter, thus drawing out a combatant.
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:40 AM
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... yeah but like you said "combatant" - sounds like these particular guys would shoot anyone that picked up some 'suspicious materials', not exactly the best plan in counter-insurgency operations nor in winning over locals.
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:20 AM
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either way, need more info to make any sort of educated decision on this. Im not so quick to condemn the us miitary
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:25 PM
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Hypothetical situation:

Sniper sets up fake detonation cord in neighborhood. Average Joe Civilian comes walking down the street. Sees detonation cord, knows what it is. Doesn't want his kids anywhere near it. Picks it up, sniper shoots. Horrible mistake.
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:38 PM
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There are two situations here, the idea of baiting, which the military says it won't discuss, and the idea of dropping weapons down by Iraqis that they shot. The first I'm not sure about, the second is flat out wrong. And it sounds as if the soldiers are being charged with the latter.
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:20 PM
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Sounds like just one more event that the media has decided to blow out of proportion.

It's not like your average citizen over here is going to walk up to what looks like a det line and move it. Hell, the best way to avoid being blown up is to see what the locals are avoiding! They know where the newest bombs are and they know not to go near the damn thing!!
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:23 PM
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Hell, the best way to avoid being blown up is to see what the locals are avoiding! They know where the newest bombs are and they know not to go near the damn thing!!
Why of course - unless of course you have those really tricky locals so in on it that they allow themselves to be blown-up just to try and trick more Americans
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:30 PM
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Apples and Oranges.

Secular Violence doesn't have anything to do with snipers supposedly baiting innocents.
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