Who guarantees placement?

[DubaiSis]

It just came up in the IU thread, and I'm intrigued.

How many campuses guarantee placement if you maximize your options? Do you have to have maximized your options all the way through, or just preference? How far does it typically send a chapter over quota?

[AXOrushadvisor]

Arizona State guarantees placement. I believe a lot of this is done through quota additions, but I may be wrong. This can only be done if you fully participate AND all the Chapters you preferenced are on your bid card. The quota additions used to go to the smallest Chapters first and I will assume they are still done that way. This certainly makes the numbers look good on the Greek side, but I would love to know the percentage of women who don't show up for their bid or bail quickly after? In fact, I believe all the women who did not SIP got bids last fall and they had a super high placement rate 87%.

[AGDee]

I oversee 10 chapters and, quite honestly, I only know the answer for a few of them. One of mine is IU so obviously that one doesn't. Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan do not have the traditional formal recruitment. At Carroll University, most chapters are under Total so if a chapter takes more than Quota, it could be snap bids rather than Quota Additions due to "guaranteed placement". I'll try to find out for my other chapters...

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I oversee 10 chapters and, quite honestly, I only know the answer for a few of them. One of mine is IU so obviously that one doesn't. Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan do not have the traditional formal recruitment. At Carroll College, most chapters are under Total so if a chapter takes more than Quota, it could be snap bids rather than Quota Additions due to "guaranteed placement". I'll try to find out for my other chapters...

You advise at Carroll College? That's awesome! My cousins live one block from Carroll and my high school choir did a lot there. It's a very pretty college.

I don't believe any of the colleges I have connections at have guarenteed placement.

I remember that PHA at Wisconsin said it was "very likely" you would be matched if you filled out your card, but girls would still slip through with 3 preference parties, especially when some of the traditionally "lower tiered" groups began taking larger pledge classes than the "top" groups.

[carnation]

I'm still wondering how many women, especially those who maximized their options, end up with a totally surprise bid like in a thread I started years ago--something like "Getting A Bid from a Chapter You Didn't Pref".

Say, the girl goes to A and B for prefs and then ends up with a bid that says C and she hasn't seen C since the first round.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Could we start a list?

Let's not and say we did.

If past GC-age is any indication, we'll have more than a few rushees/parents/out of the loop alums who don't read past "guaranteed placement" and think that anyone who starts rush at these schools receives a bid.

This is kind of like the "which sororities allow grad students to pledge" thread.

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by carnation

I'm still wondering how many women, especially those who maximized their options, end up with a totally surprise bid like in a thread I started years ago--something like "Getting A Bid from a Chapter You Didn't Pref".

Say, the girl goes to A and B for prefs and then ends up with a bid that says C and she hasn't seen C since the first round.

Something similar happened to a girl we pledged her sophomore year. First year, she went through recruitment and kept dropping a group because she didn't feel like she got along with them and she was convinced they only wanted her for her religion. She was invited to pref this group and another group.

Her Rho Gamma warned her about ISPing, but she swears she did not put the first group down on her preference card. She said she thought about it for a long time, because of Rho Gamma's warning, but decided against it. (I am not entirely sure about this, because of what happened).

She went to bid day, got a bid from this group and turned it down. She returned to her dorm room to find balloons, streamers, and a big "XYZ welcomes you!" sign, which made it even worse. (Especially for those girls who took the time to decorate it!)

She ended up waiting a year and going through again. This time, XYZ dropped her immediately, which was to be expected.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by carnation

I'm still wondering how many women, especially those who maximized their options, end up with a totally surprise bid like in a thread I started years ago--something like "Getting A Bid from a Chapter You Didn't Pref".

Say, the girl goes to A and B for prefs and then ends up with a bid that says C and she hasn't seen C since the first round.

I would hope that RFM has decreased that somewhat - i.e. A & B aren't going to ask her to pref unless there's room for her. And FWIW, C probably did invite her to pref (and the other rounds), her options were just filled before she had to go there.

[DubaiSis]

Carnation, I think that is just weird, screams of desperate and more than a little dirty pool. It's one thing to have happened to a girl who declined an invitation to Pref because of a full schedule, but even then it shouldn't happen. I believe you that it HAS happened, but man oh man it shouldn't. I do think being able to invite someone to a later round of recruitment who cut you earlier due to a full schedule would be ok. I think some schools have "regret with interest," right? But with RFM, I don't exactly see how that would work.

Maybe you haven't gotten any answers because the problem went away? Let's hope for the best.

[Titchou]

I know UAB and Montevallo do and am pretty sure Alabama and Auburn do as well along with a large number of others around the south. But it does require you to attend as many parties each round as you have room in your schedule and get invites. Anyone not doing that is definitely not guaranteed a bid.

[carnation]

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=didn%27t+pref

I was shocked by how often this did happen.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Let's not and say we did.

If past GC-age is any indication, we'll have more than a few rushees/parents/out of the loop alums who don't read past "guaranteed placement" and think that anyone who starts rush at these schools receives a bid.

This is kind of like the "which sororities allow grad students to pledge" thread.

Agreed. This can be particularly problematic because of information that's rapidly out of date, and changes that occur constantly in Greek systems across the board. Eight months from now, a school that "guaranteed placement" in Fall 2010 may no longer do so in Fall 2011. I can hear the screaming already.

To each his own.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Titchou

I know UAB and Montevallo do and am pretty sure Alabama and Auburn do as well along with a large number of others around the south. But it does require you to attend as many parties each round as you have room in your schedule and get invites. Anyone not doing that is definitely not guaranteed a bid.

I wish people would understand the bolded. Speaking for Montevallo, it's rare for girls to be dropped from recruitment, but it does happen. And somehow that seems to blow minds.

And like every other school, we have a hard time getting girls to understand that listing every sorority they're invited back to is essential to getting placed. There are always those PNMs that are convinced that they'll get a bid to XY with no problem and then refuse to continue with recruitment when XY drops them. I felt like banging my head against the wall more than a few times when girls would drop out of recruitment believing the sororities that did invite them back were beneath them. I mean, what's a nice way of saying, "Girl, you are NOT too good for them, trust me"?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

I hate this, because even when girls have to attend parties, nothing stops them from showing up and acting like a snotty bitch. I'd rather them not be at my party than stand outside for fifteen minutes beforehand telling everyone how much they hate my chapter.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I hate this, because even when girls have to attend parties, nothing stops them from showing up and acting like a snotty bitch. I'd rather them not be at my party than stand outside for fifteen minutes beforehand telling everyone how much they hate my chapter.

IMO the gamma rhos should shut that shit down. My group did...but PNMs usually didn't have balls to do that right outside the chapter or in a party. I don't think I encountered one THAT ridiculous. The ones that were that rude were the ones that would do things like get their invitations back to find they'd been dropped by the one sorority they deemed good enough for them and then leave, never to be heard from again (I had a few do that). We did hear it occasionally walking in between parties or in the general meeting room.

I like guaranteed placement, especially on a campus like mine where it's hard to get PNMs to go through formal recruitment in the first place. And the majority of PNMs stay open minded and end up happy in their new home. But the ones that have tunnel vision can be such a challenge.