This can't happen, right?

[DefyingGravity]

If someone is an initiated brother of Fraternity A which gets kicked off campus, they cannot accept a deal to become Fraternity B to remain in Greek Life, right? These brothers were initiated already and both fraternities are national. They shouldn't be allowed to join the new fraternity, am I correct?

My brother is an alum member of Frat A in this situation and is trying to figure out if it's a "legal move" by the kids on campus. He's hoping not.

[IrishLake]

I had a friend in college who was a Delta Sig, initiated, then deaffiliated because he refused to haze one new member (new member was the lead in a theatre production that started the next day, and the hazing involved a lot of shouting until the boys lost their voices).

So, my friend later ended up pledging Theta Chi. I don't think their rules are the same as ours.

[lucgreek]

The person in Fraternity A can do that. If you resign membership and are released from your NIC group, you are free to join any other NIC group. Now, why another NIC group would give you a bid if your group got kicked off campus is beyond me. I mean, why would you want all that baggage associated with that person on your group?

I just don't understand why a group would want the reputation of picking up people from a group kicked off campus. Fraternity B comes off as desperate.

[DrPhil]

NPHC and NPC do not allow post-initiates who disaffiliate/depledge/get expelled to join another NPHC or NPC org. But, NIC does? That's interesting.

[ScarletBlueGold]

I have heard of some National Fraternities releasing members when they are in a Fraternity that was removed.

I know that Zeta Beta Tau, a non-pledging and non-hazing Fraternity, released pretty much anyone that wanted to join another Fraternity as long as they hadn't been in for longer than a year when they got suspended from my school.

Ultimately it's the decision of the National Fraterity A and the National Fraternity B. FIJI, for example, would not allow the Chapter from my school to take any former ZBT members.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

NPHC and NPC do not allow post-initiates who disaffiliate/depledge/get expelled to join another NPHC or NPC org. But, NIC does? That's interesting.

As long as the person receives a letter from I/HQ stating that he's no longer a member, he's free to join another NIC organization.

Like lucgreek said, though, Fraternity B looks desperate if it takes dropped members like that.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

As long as the person receives a letter from I/HQ stating that he's no longer a member, he's free to join another NIC organization.

[DefyingGravity]

Both frats are NIC.

I think it is a case of Frat A being punished for one brother's stupid individual actions which had no connection to the group at all, although I don't know the whole story.

But it seems like the boys can start another NIC fraternity even though it might look bad on Frat B? That's not cool! What stops someone from jumping from frat to frat then?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DefyingGravity

Both frats are NIC.

I think it is a case of Frat A being punished for one brother's stupid individual actions which had no connection to the group at all, although I don't know the whole story.

But it seems like the boys can start another NIC fraternity even though it might look bad on Frat B? That's not cool! What stops someone from jumping from frat to frat then?

Just because they CAN join Frat B doesn't mean Frat B is going to ALLOW them to join.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by DefyingGravity

But it seems like the boys can start another NIC fraternity even though it might look bad on Frat B? That's not cool! What stops someone from jumping from frat to frat then?

Plentyof things. First off,there is the fact that you need to have an official letter from the I/HQ stating that you are no longer a member. I can see plenty of fraternities refusing to write one of those. Why would they want to help an oathbreaker? Second, unless you have a damn good reason for leaving, like the above example of hazing, a lot of fraternities wouldn't want you. They would be "Oh he might just leave us if he doesn't like something" and decide not to take the risk. Thirdly, while this is straying into speculation, there are fraternities that require you to not have ever been a member of a like social organization.

[excelblue]

Sure, the official rules say that, but official rules and de facto rules may differ.

Eg. my fraternity's charter states that we will not discriminate by gender (as required for all campus-affiliated organizations). However, if someone is not a good fit for the org, they won't get a bid. Yes, every Greek chapter on campus has that clause, but if let's say I were to sign up for NPC formal recruitment, I don't think I'd make it past the first day. :P

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by excelblue

Sure, the official rules say that, but official rules and de facto rules may differ.

Eg. my fraternity's charter states that we will not discriminate by gender (as required for all campus-affiliated organizations). However, if someone is not a good fit for the org, they won't get a bid. Yes, every Greek chapter on campus has that clause, but if let's say I were to sign up for NPC formal recruitment, I don't think I'd make it past the first day. :P

I thought GLOs were exempt from that.

Someone who's familiar with Title IX, please chime in.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I thought GLOs were exempt from that.

Someone who's familiar with Title IX, please chime in.

They are, but sometimes campuses make them do stuff like that before they recognize them. I'm pretty sure he means his chapter only and not his GLO as a whole. Theoretically, it's a technicality, but this is the kind of thing that can bite you in the ass when you least expect it. But that's the kind of thing that happens at a hippie school. LOL

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I thought GLOs were exempt from that.

Someone who's familiar with Title IX, please chime in.

Social GLOs are not required by Title IX to be coed before a school can grant recognition. Professional, service, honorary and the like are.

[knight_shadow]

Right, but I thought excelblue was in a social GLO?