WTH is wrong w/ people?

[als463]

I hope this is where I should put the link. I'm asking that everyone sign this petition. Some people think it is okay to hurt animals, yet they get upset when those animal abusers become serial killers! Well, serial killers start out this way. People like this should be shot.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/6/dem...ice-for-buddys

[DrPhil]

I no longer sign petitions and join causes without reading up on them (not like it really matters either way). I learned a huge lesson from Jena 6.

"We the undersigned urge the court in Denver, Colorado to give Steven Clay Romero, the man charged in the dragging death on December 30, 2009 of a German Shepherd named Buddy behind his truck for three miles the maximum penalty of three years in federal prison, $100,000 fine and one year probation for this horrific crime. Do not let this crime go unpunished for the horrible death of an innocent dog. Given Mr. Romero's past criminal record, we feel he is a menace to society and this dragging death is only the beginning of what could lead to future unimaginable and tragic consequences."

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I no longer sign petitions and join causes without reading up on them (not like it really matters either way). I learned a huge lesson from Jena 6.

"We the undersigned urge the court in Denver, Colorado to give Steven Clay Romero, the man charged in the dragging death on December 30, 2009 of a German Shepherd named Buddy behind his truck for three miles the maximum penalty of three years in federal prison, $100,000 fine and one year probation for this horrific crime. Do not let this crime go unpunished for the horrible death of an innocent dog. Given Mr. Romero's past criminal record, we feel he is a menace to society and this dragging death is only the beginning of what could lead to future unimaginable and tragic consequences."

I agree with the bolded statement, though. Many serial killers start out with killing animals. People shake their heads and ask what went wrong when they find a person who killed tons of people. People wait until AFTER people are killed to make a difference and put a monster away. Maybe those murderers wouldn't get that far if we took care of them when they killed/ tortured animals. It reminds me of that girl who put the cat in the oven. That b**** deserves to die. Yeah, I said it.

As far as the Jena 6 goes-I don't know what you are talking about. What did the petition say? I think they should have all served time in prison.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

It reminds me of that girl who put the cat in the oven. That b**** deserves to die. Yeah, I said it.

She deserves to die for putting a damn cat in the oven? Hmmm...more like, she deserves counseling and rehabilitative efforts.

Throwing people in prison for killing and torturing animals will not keep them from becoming serial killers (or commiting other crimes) if these people aren't counseled and don't have social support mechanisms.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by als463

That b**** deserves to die. Yeah, I said it.

Wow...seriously? That's pretty ridiculous to condemn someone to death for killing a cat. Geez.


I've ran over & killed squirrels before. So should I die? Am I gonna be a serial killer now? (sorry to the agd's....i didn't mean to kill them lol)

Originally Posted by DrPhil

She deserves to die for putting a damn cat in the oven? Hmmm...more like, she deserves counseling and rehabilitative efforts.

Throwing people in prison for killing and torturing animals will not keep them from becoming serial killers (or commiting other crimes) if these people aren't counseled and don't have social support mechanisms.

I completely agree!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by epchick

I've ran over & killed squirrels before. So should I die? Am I gonna be a serial killer now? (sorry to the agd's....i didn't mean to kill them lol)

You are a damn fool, epchick. lol

[als463]

Originally Posted by epchick

Wow...seriously? That's pretty ridiculous to condemn someone to death for killing a cat. Geez.

I've ran over & killed squirrels before. So should I die? Am I gonna be a serial killer now? (sorry to the agd's....i didn't mean to kill them lol)



I completely agree!

Okay...So, maybe that was a bit harsh. I don't think she should have gotten just 6 months probation for it. She walked out of the court room laughing. I think something needs to be done to these people (teenagers or not).

No, epchick...you don't deserve to die. You are not a serial killer (lol) at least, not that I know of? You're not-right?

I feel like people don't give a damn about animal abuse and they just shrug it off....It really pisses me off! Aside from hitting something accidentally with your car (I've done it and cried), there is NO excuse for going around torturing or killing animals.

[WVU alpha phi]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

She deserves to die for putting a damn cat in the oven? Hmmm...more like, she deserves counseling and rehabilitative efforts.

Throwing people in prison for killing and torturing animals will not keep them from becoming serial killers (or commiting other crimes) if these people aren't counseled and don't have social support mechanisms.

It'll keep them from becoming serial killers if they aren't released from prison. If they want to kill their fellow prisoners, fine by me.

Someone should stick cat-girl in the oven and see how she likes it. I have ZERO sympathy for people who hurt innocent animals.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by WVU alpha phi

It'll keep them from becoming serial killers if they aren't released from prison. If they want to kill their fellow prisoners, fine by me.

Clever.

This is why the penal system and society are so jacked up.

[DrPhil]

als463, you're cool as a fan but you sound like one of those loony PETA people who are willing to harm humans to further their agendas. The hypocrisy of that is overwhelming.

[Kevin]

Do you have any idea what animals have to go through to put meat on your table?

It ain't pleasant or pretty. If you have a strong stomach, there's plenty of slaughterhouse video on the internet. I wouldn't recommend you watch it though.

Or are dogs just more deserving of the protection of the law than pigs because dogs are pets?

[als463]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Do you have any idea what animals have to go through to put meat on your table?

It ain't pleasant or pretty. If you have a strong stomach, there's plenty of slaughterhouse video on the internet. I wouldn't recommend you watch it though.

Or are dogs just more deserving of the protection of the law than pigs because dogs are pets?

I think there is a difference between killing an animal for food and torturing/ abusing it for fun. Don't get me wrong. If I had a dog (which I don't now because my apt. complex doesn't allow pets), if there was no meat left and my family was starving (famine-like circumstances), I would find the most humane way of making him our meal. It sucks, but it is true. Some people hurt animals for fun. Those people don't deserve to be oxygen thieves.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by als463

I think there is a difference between killing an animal for food and torturing/ abusing it for fun.

Is there a difference? Or is there only a different (like others have said) when it is a certain type of animal?

Have you seen some of those slaughterhouse videos? Some of those animals ARE tortured for fun and then killed for food. Can the farmers (or whoever does the slaughtering) remove the pig ears and chicken beaks AFTER the animals are dead? Of course. Do they? no. Chickens' beaks and pigs ears are cut off while the animals are still alive.

Cows, pigs, etc are not exempt from cruelty just because they are as cute as dogs and cats. The rules should apply for EVERY animal.



ETA: I understand what you mean about cruelty to animals, I agree with you as well (although not to that extreme extent though) but sometimes people forget about other animals aside from dogs, cats, bunnies and the other domesticated animals.

[aggieAXO]

Originally Posted by epchick

Is there a difference? Or is there only a different (like others have said) when it is a certain type of animal?

Have you seen some of those slaughterhouse videos? Some of those animals ARE tortured for fun and then killed for food. Can the farmers (or whoever does the slaughtering) remove the pig ears and chicken beaks AFTER the animals are dead? Of course. Do they? no. Chickens' beaks and pigs ears are cut off while the animals are still alive.

Cows, pigs, etc are not exempt from cruelty just because they are as cute as dogs and cats. The rules should apply for EVERY animal.



ETA: I understand what you mean about cruelty to animals, I agree with you as well (although not to that extreme extent though) but sometimes people forget about other animals aside from dogs, cats, bunnies and the other domesticated animals.

This is a huge topic in vet med these days. Many vets are split on the subject. You have those (mostly the large animal vets but some small animal) that see animals as a commodity and food on your table. Then you have many that think there should be more stringent guidlines at slaughterhouses. Things are slowly changing but I believe they will change for the better, at least I hope so.

We just had a debate on the vet website about kosher slaughter-humane vs inhumane. It was interesting (and a bit disturbing I have to say) hearing the different criteria for the kosher way but I don't agree with it.

I won't say what I would wish would happen to that guy and no I am not a PETA fan, I am just a "I hate crappy humans" person

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Or are dogs just more deserving of the protection of the law than pigs because dogs are pets?

Ask Michael Vick*










*that sound you hear is probably a can of worms that's opening with Michael Vick and dogs being mentioned within the same vicinity of this thread.